Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

FSU, Clemson or whomever else wants to leave can stomp their feet and hold their breath, but there's not really much they can do to "make things messy."

The ACC has no reason to negotiate and there is no "win-win." There's win (4-5 schools that get B10/SEC invites), don't lose (4-6 to the B12), and lose (everyone else). Unless the schools that want to leave can find a way to make the GOR unenforceable, their choices are stick around or buy their way out, and buying their way out isn't economically viable for the time being.

If GORs were easy to break, OUT wouldn't done it. They paid $50m apiece for 1 year and that was with ESPN on their side. The ACC has 13 years left.
No, they paid 50m for the exit fee. No one has been able to tell me what, if anything, they paid for 1 year of media rights.
 
I think it is a combined figure.
It was combined - exit fee, GOR and some to the networks. I think Fox got $20m of the total $100m. Just spitballing here, but the current B12 media deal paid out $28m last year (total conference sought was $42m, but that includes Bowl money, NCAA tourney money, etc). That leaves $12m for the exit fee.
Fox: $10m
GOR: $28m
Exit Fee: $12m

Using a similar structure for an ACC team to leave ahead of the ‘24-25 year:
GOR: $204m ($17m, 12 years)
Exit Fee: $120m
ESPN: ?

ESPN could benefit, depending where the school goes. At the same time, they’d likely lose the ACC as a source of content and potentially pay a few schools way more money. The data for where ESPN would break even isn’t available. They could kick some money in, or demand to be bought out depending on where the school is going.
 
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Dude I’m not arguing with you. I was responding to the poster who idiotically said that recruiting rankings don’t matter. They 100% do and you’re a moron if you don’t think so. Especially at the top level of cfb
I realize we’re all supposed to bow down to your superior sports knowledge and conference affiliation, but are you capable of having a debate without resorting to name-calling and ‘dumbing’ posts you disagree with? Is it really that obvious to you that Nebraska’s talent level is equal to or better than it was in the B12 or first few years in the b1g? If so, just say that.
 
I realize we’re all supposed to bow down to your superior sports knowledge and conference affiliation, but are you capable of having a debate without resorting to name-calling and ‘dumbing’ posts you disagree with? Is it really that obvious to you that Nebraska’s talent level is equal to or better than it was in the B12 or first few years in the b1g? If so, just say that.
Dude ive probably “dumbed” less the a dozen posts on here outside of cybri and his ilk.

I never once said anything about Nebraska I responded to your exact comment “recruiting rankings are meaningless” which is so idiotic that it should mandate a dumb but I didn’t even do that on your post.
 
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Dude ive probably “dumbed” less the a dozen posts on here outside of cybri and his ilk.

I never once said anything about Nebraska I responded to your exact comment “recruiting rankings are meaningless” which is so idiotic that it should mandate a dumb but I didn’t even do that on your post.
At least you had the decency to call me an idiot without referring to me directly. That’s convenient. Without engaging in an honest debate I mean.
 
Do you honestly think their talent level hasn’t dropped off since their last few seasons in the b12 and first few seasons in the b1g?
I think that’s more on coaching. When they had Pelini they were averaging around 9 wins. The moment he left the fell off the cliff. The recurring rankings really didn’t change that much except for last year. I think they have only had one top 20 class in the last 15ish years so they have never been raking in the top talent. They have for sure sent less people in the nfl the last few years but Scott frost might legit make players worse.
 
Backtracking a little, to an extent recruiting rankings matter, and to an extent they don’t. There’s a bit of a gray area. 5-4* are typically pretty accurate. But there are just so many players, playing different levels, against different competition, in different systems. A large portion don’t do all the extra events/camps to get exposure, some just can’t afford to do it financially. It’s impossible to properly rank everyone. But typically the top 100-300 are relatively accurate. At Iowa State alone we’ve seen 4* players be flops and most of our best players(especially pre Campbell) were 0-2* recruits.
 
I think that’s more on coaching. When they had Pelini they were averaging around 9 wins. The moment he left the fell off the cliff. The recurring rankings really didn’t change that much except for last year. I think they have only had one top 20 class in the last 15ish years so they have never been raking in the top talent. They have for sure sent less people in the nfl the last few years but Scott frost might legit make players worse.
Yes exactly this. I can’t stand hearing “how did moving to the big 10 go for Nebraska?”

Their struggles have zero to do with changing conferences. As you said io until the last couple years their recruiting rankings had been pretty consistent since the Pelini days, sometimes better. So I don’t care about losing Texas recruiting grounds. They replaced them and recruited just as well. Their SoS went down.

Pelini won at the same level in both leagues. Their recruiting rankings were just as good or better for years.

They sucked because they followed a good coach with the hire of a mediocre coach, then a terrible coach.

So I don’t really care about the reasons why their recruiting could/should be hurt by the move. They didn’t drop, so the hypothesis that it’s recruiting is not supported. Their player development and coaching in general sucked. End of story.
 
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I doubt ESPN wants the ACC to go away. Cheap content allowing them to pay SEC big money for Vanderbilt games.
 
Do you honestly think their talent level hasn’t dropped off since their last few seasons in the b12 and first few seasons in the b1g?

Their talent relative to their conference competition certainly has changed.

The glory years was a men against boys situation.

The Big 12 caught up. The B1G is on par.

This isn't the era of partial qualifiers who have an actual weight program vs schools who were just happy to be there.
 
Their talent relative to their conference competition certainly has changed.

The glory years was a men against boys situation.

The Big 12 caught up. The B1G is on par.

This isn't the era of partial qualifiers who have an actual weight program vs schools who were just happy to be there.
They also had 2 coaches for long periods of time and the second ran a system identical to the first. So recruiting and processes didn’t change. CPR had the issue that he changed OCs so much and each wanted different systems and we would recruit different types every two years and the players and systems never matched.
 
They also had 2 coaches for long periods of time and the second ran a system identical to the first. So recruiting and processes didn’t change. CPR had the issue that he changed OCs so much and each wanted different systems and we would recruit different types every two years and the players and systems never matched.

And that system was strap on the pads and kick the **** out of the other team

Great stuff when my local YMCA had a better weight room than ISU.
 
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I think that’s more on coaching. When they had Pelini they were averaging around 9 wins. The moment he left the fell off the cliff. The recurring rankings really didn’t change that much except for last year. I think they have only had one top 20 class in the last 15ish years so they have never been raking in the top talent. They have for sure sent less people in the nfl the last few years but Scott frost might legit make players worse.
I don’t disagree a whole lot with the coaching dropping off actually, but I watch them now and just think the talent level has dropped off considerably since they were b12 and the first few seasons of the b1g. It’s actually pretty stark to me.
 
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Good article about the Pac 12’s media rights situation. Long story short, Pac 12 thought Amazon would shell out big bucks just because Amazon is cash happy but Amazon knows it’s got the leverage and is only interested in the top Pac 12 games. Also mentions how the Big 12 locked up its contract just before ESPN/Disney decided to put a freeze on high dollar media contracts.

 
I don’t disagree a whole lot with the coaching dropping off actually, but I watch them now and just think the talent level has dropped off considerably since they were b12 and the first few seasons of the b1g. It’s actually pretty stark to me.
You could very well be right, I didn’t watch much of Nebraska when they were in the Big12. I do think that bad coaches like frost can put talented players in positions where they look worse than they are. During the RR/Brady hoke years at Michigan I saw this a lot.
 

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