Big 12 Conference Realignment

[CysRage]

On3 has an article about Florida State discussing being in the ACC. They feel it would cost them $120M to leave the ACC. They also said they are under compensated by $30M a year by staying in the ACC.

FSU has nobody to blame but themselves (and the rest of the ACC) for signing a long media deal. They can sure ask for more from the rest of the conference but it will be just like the original Big 12 where it creates dysfunction and gives other teams wandering eyes. ACC is in big trouble when their media deal is up and more teams are looking to bolt than to renegotiate their media deal.

 

[HouClone]

Nothing's happening until 2030. Pac will sign their garbage, band aid deal, FSU spouting off, pulling an OUT with instability. 2030ish will be the fireworks. Pac / Big 12 / Big 10 deals up and close enough to the end of the ACC 2036 contract.

Not sure on the programs going to the SEC, Big 10. Pitt, NC State to Big 12 only ones see valuable enough for Big 12 and see passed over. Would like to add Miami to help out UCF travel but think they will be Big 10 bound.

Pac schools looking down now on the Big 12 will be in competition with these other available ACC schools. I would be worried if I was the 4 corners closer it gets to 2030.

 

[Stormin]

Nothing's happening until 2030. Pac will sign their garbage, band aid deal, FSU spouting off, pulling an OUT with instability. 2030ish will be the fireworks. Pac / Big 12 / Big 10 deals up and close enough to the end of the ACC 2036 contract.

Not sure on the programs going to the SEC, Big 10. Pitt, NC State to Big 12 only ones see valuable enough for Big 12 and see passed over. Would like to add Miami to help out UCF travel but think they will be Big 10 bound.

Pac schools looking down now on the Big 12 will be in competition with these other available ACC schools. I would be worried if I was the 4 corners closer it gets to 2030.

4 Corners should learn from their Conference that delaying is sometimes a terrible strategy. Big 12 played the smart move by aggressively getting a decent contract and tying down a lot of the last desirable media coverage. PAC 12 has no real good suitors.

 

[clonehome]

I know we talk a lot about the money, and I get that it gives Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, etc a leg up…but I’d way rather be in our shoes (and receive the money we do) than to be a fan of Missouri or Arkansas (and let’s not even get started with Vanderbilt). What good does the money do those schools? It literally has to feel the same as it did for us in the 80s…but with a nicer stadium and jerseys.

This has always been my thought. The big boys want to have at least half their conference schedule filled with patsies. So I get paid a lot of money to be the sparring partner for Mike Tyson. Is that a good thing?

But this is why the B1G is so great for Iowa. You get all the money and everyone is a patsy except for Ohio St and sometimes Michigan. And you only have to play Ohio St once every 10 years. It’s an amazing set up.

 

[t-noah]

This has always been my thought. The big boys want to have at least half their conference schedule filled with patsies. So I get paid a lot of money to be the sparring partner for Mike Tyson. Is that a good thing?

But this is why the B1G is so great for Iowa. You get all the money and everyone is a patsy except for Ohio St and sometimes Michigan. And you only have to play Ohio St once every 10 years. It’s an amazing set up.

I used to think that if the B1G or SEC expanded to 16 (or beyond), it would make them play each other more, and have less patsies. Now, I'm not so sure that is the case. Nothing would really keep them from playing the same number of noncon games, yes or no? Their media partners do come to mind. I suppose if their media partners wanted to see more of them playing each other (vs patsies) it would happen. And sure, some of those noncon games are not patsies. For example, Ohio State scheduling Notre Dame, etc.

But unless they get a strong nudge, does anything change? Will the SEC still be allowed to schedule 4 noncon games and only 8 conference games? Unless forced otherwise, I think they will try to continue as is? Will the B1G and SEC (and eventually Big 12?), be asked by their media partners, to increase their conference game schedule to 10, rather than 9 games (or 8 games, SEC)?

Edit: With the amount of money involved, the media partners will likely have a strong say in the conference scheduling, and the number of noncon games?

 

[Clonedogg]

I used to think that if the B1G or SEC expanded to 16 (or beyond), it would make them play each other more, and have less patsies. Now, I'm not so sure that is the case. Nothing would really keep them from playing the same number of noncon games, yes or no? Their media partners do come to mind. I suppose if their media partners wanted to see more of them playing each other (vs patsies) it would happen. And sure, some of those noncon games are not patsies. For example, Ohio State scheduling Notre Dame, etc.

But unless they get a strong nudge, does anything change? Will the SEC still be allowed to schedule 4 noncon games and only 8 conference games? Unless forced otherwise, I think they will try to continue as is? Will the B1G and SEC (and eventually Big 12?), be asked by their media partners, to increase their conference game schedule to 10, rather than 9 games (or 8 games, SEC)?

Edit: With the amount of money involved, the media partners will likely have a strong say in the conference scheduling, and the number of noncon games?

I believe in an effort to keep pace with the B1G, the SEC was considering and talking with ESPN about moving to 9 game conf schedule to see how much that would increase payouts.

SEC has 'ample support' for 9-game league slate

There is mounting momentum among Southeastern Conference athletic departments to go from eight conference games to nine in football once Oklahoma and Texas join the league, sources told ESPN's Chris Low.

www.espn.com

And if you do a Google search, it looks like its a foregone conclusion that they will make that move.

 

[JP4CY]

 

[Acylum]

Big 12 has a history of doing unequal revenue sharing, and it didn't end well. Oregon and Washington are welcome to join earning the same amount as everyone else. If they don't like it, then piss off.

The fact JP and other ADs were willing to offer more revenue to get OuT to stay is just embarrassing to me. That said, giving USCLA a travel stipend to start out is a far cry from outright unequal revenue and wouldn’t bother me near as much assuming it’s reasonable.

 

[t-noah]

I believe in an effort to keep pace with the B1G, the SEC was considering and talking with ESPN about moving to 9 game conf schedule to see how much that would increase payouts.

SEC has 'ample support' for 9-game league slate

There is mounting momentum among Southeastern Conference athletic departments to go from eight conference games to nine in football once Oklahoma and Texas join the league, sources told ESPN's Chris Low.

www.espn.com

And if you do a Google search, it looks like its a foregone conclusion that they will make that move.

Yeah, that looks like a done deal. The B1G and the SEC will have a 9 game conference schedule.

I guess my next question, will it ever become 10? Will the Big 12 want to do that, as something different, more revenue generating, if and when they reach 16 members? It does lead to more potential losses, which will be the deciding factor against, unless all the conferences/teams are doing it.

Taking it another step, when will they go to a 13, or even 14 game schedule, for D1 college football, before any championship game/playoffs? That's probably coming.

 

[2speedy1]

Yeah, that looks like a done deal. The B1G and the SEC will have a 9 game conference schedule.

I guess my next question, will it ever become 10? Will the Big 12 want to do that, as something different, more revenue generating, if and when they reach 16 members? It does lead to more potential losses, which will be the deciding factor against, unless all the conferences/teams are doing it.

Taking it another step, when will they go to a 13, or even 14 game schedule, for D1 college football, before any championship game/playoffs? That's probably coming.

I think your second point answers your first.

They will add games to the season and go to 10 game conference probably at the same time.

Right now there are people saying the playoff will cause teams to play too many games. But in the past there were teams that scheduled extra non con games and had I believe as many as 15 games in a season before they regulated it. I think KSU did that several years to pad their wins, by adding multiple FCS level schools and multiple G5 level schools to their sched.

My guess is if there is a push to go to 10 conference games there will be a push at the same time to add another noncon. But I dont know how much drive there is for that right now. My guess it will be when it becomes a money making issue. A league like the Big 12 could use it to bump its income just like they did when they went to 9.

 

[t-noah]

I think your second point answers your first.

They will add games to the season and go to 10 game conference probably at the same time.

Right now there are people saying the playoff will cause teams to play too many games. But in the past there were teams that scheduled extra non con games and had I believe as many as 15 games in a season before they regulated it. I think KSU did that several years to pad their wins, by adding multiple FCS level schools and multiple G5 level schools to their sched.

My guess is if there is a push to go to 10 conference games there will be a push at the same time to add another noncon. But I dont know how much drive there is for that right now. My guess it will be when it becomes a money making issue. A league like the Big 12 could use it to bump its income just like they did when they went to 9.

Agree. And when that happens, we will all have the money to go to Istanbul for Turkish ice cream.

A little humor never hurts.

 

[ISU4Life]

Florida State signed the deal like the the other 13 teams in the conference. ESPN would be crazy to renegotiate and the other 13 teams would be crazy to budge on unequal revenue sharing.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Florida State signed the deal like the the other 13 teams in the conference. ESPN would be crazy to renegotiate and the other 13 teams would be crazy to budge on unequal revenue sharing.

Ya, FSU has no leverage here. They're just ********.

 

[WhoISthis]

Florida State signed the deal like the the other 13 teams in the conference. ESPN would be crazy to renegotiate and the other 13 teams would be crazy to budge on unequal revenue sharing.

They should be willing to negotiate- try to cash in on Clemson and FSU’s desperation to leave. Get some of their P2 money and get ESPN to add to ACC before it’s in no position to add. Oregon St and WSU would be in a lot better position had they been able to trade letting UCLA and USC walk in 2021 for adding best of R8.

Thankfully it doesn’t seem like the ACC has Yormark’s win-win deal making mentality

 

[HouClone]

FSU and Clemson have one leverage item - the threat to going to a non-ESPN conference, the Big 10. It is a small threat right now for them, particularly since the contract end is so far away. FSU and Clemson are non-AAU and their fans I would believe would want to play mostly in the South.

This threat has happened before. ESPN gave Texas the LHN to prevent them from going to the Pac, which had the new Pac network and Fox/ESPN.

 

[surly]

Long ago, I wrote that there should be an alliance formed between the P12 and B12 sharing the P12 Network, bringing the western schools into the plains, and so on. It hasn't happened. But I hear voices now bringing up the idea for obvious reasons.

 

[exCyDing]

FSU and Clemson have one leverage item - the threat to going to a non-ESPN conference, the Big 10. It is a small threat right now for them, particularly since the contract end is so far away. FSU and Clemson are non-AAU and their fans I would believe would want to play mostly in the South.

This threat has happened before. ESPN gave Texas the LHN to prevent them from going to the Pac, which had the new Pac network and Fox/ESPN.

Here's the problem FSU, Clemson and any other unhappy ACC team face: ESPN (through the ACC) owns their rights for another 13 years. There's a 0% chance any school with a B10 or SEC invite stick around after that contract is up unless the ACC gets a deal on par with those conferences. The B10 will be at or near the end of their next deal (not the one they just signed). The SEC will just be starting their next deal. It's hard to say which networks will own what properties at that point.

Texas got he LHN because they could go to the PAC at that point. Not in 13 years, in the next 1-2 years. ESPN lost loads of cash on it, so it's hard to think they'd try it again

The other parties to the contracts (ACC, ESPN) have zero reason to negotiate. FSU, Clemson and the rest will just have to be mad.

 

[Clonehomer]

Long ago, I wrote that there should be an alliance formed between the P12 and B12 sharing the P12 Network, bringing the western schools into the plains, and so on. It hasn't happened. But I hear voices now bringing up the idea for obvious reasons.

The PAC network loses money. ESPN+ brings money in. How does going from 12 mouths to feed to 24 mouths to feed suddenly make it profitable? And not only profitable, but twice as profitable as what the conference gets from ESPN+.

Conference channels that don't have the leverage to force distribution will not succeed. Quite frankly, as more and more people go to streaming, I'm not sure the BTN model will hold up as well as it has thus far. Once people have options, Rutgers isn't going to pull in nearly the revenue from NYC as it did in linear cable networks. Same with Minnesota, and Indiana, and Maryland.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Long ago, I wrote that there should be an alliance formed between the P12 and B12 sharing the P12 Network, bringing the western schools into the plains, and so on. It hasn't happened. But I hear voices now bringing up the idea for obvious reasons.

**** the Pac 12.

 

[surly]

The PAC network loses money. ESPN+ brings money in. How does going from 12 mouths to feed to 24 mouths to feed suddenly make it profitable? And not only profitable, but twice as profitable as what the conference gets from ESPN+.

Conference channels that don't have the leverage to force distribution will not succeed. Quite frankly, as more and more people go to streaming, I'm not sure the BTN model will hold up as well as it has thus far. Once people have options, Rutgers isn't going to pull in nearly the revenue from NYC as it did in linear cable networks. Same with Minnesota, and Indiana, and Maryland.

It's complicated. But one idea would be to merge the P12N into ESPN's properties as they are with the Longhorn Network. The B12 is now pretty much on ESPN's platform. The network has obvious interest in the P12 as well.

Spreading the network to the plains increases viewership perhaps exponentially. Games like Oregon at ISU or oSu at Washington would be hugely interesting to a national audience as well, to say nothing for Arizona/Ku hoops.

My sense is that the P12 has problems associated mostly with fans out there not caring. Merging that inventory with the Midwest would be a fix of sorts. The alliance would also be much more competitive with the SEC and B10 on multiple levels.

I don't like the idea of destroying one conference to benefit another and leaving out many schools as a result like Stanford, WSU and the like. Seems unethical and unwise.