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WBB: General All-NCAA Thread - Not Team Cyclones Stuff

Big 12 newcomers:

BYU(14-13, 9-7 WCC)
Houston(11-14, 8-4 American)
UCF (11-13, 2-10 American)
Cincinnati (9-17, 2-11 American)
 
Some additional perspective…from ESPN.

UCF tied for first in the American Athletic Conference last season with South Florida, and Houston was third.

BYU is the most successful women's program joining the Big 12. The Cougars have made 14 NCAA tournament appearances and advanced to the Sweet 16 twice (2002 and 2014). This past season, as a No. 11 seed, they upset No. 6 seed Rutgers in the first round before falling to eventual NCAA runner-up Arizona, a No. 3 seed. Nine of the Cougars' NCAA tournament appearances have come under current coach Jeff Judkins, who has had only one losing season since taking over in 2001-02.
 
acoustimac said:
Some additional perspective…from ESPN.

UCF tied for first in the American Athletic Conference last season with South Florida, and Houston was third.

BYU is the most successful women's program joining the Big 12. The Cougars have made 14 NCAA tournament appearances and advanced to the Sweet 16 twice (2002 and 2014). This past season, as a No. 11 seed, they upset No. 6 seed Rutgers in the first round before falling to eventual NCAA runner-up Arizona, a No. 3 seed. Nine of the Cougars' NCAA tournament appearances have come under current coach Jeff Judkins, who has had only one losing season since taking over in 2001-02.
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Whatever source you're quoting here is at least a year old. BYU's tourney upset of Rutgers happened in 2021, and that coach is retired now. BYU lost all of its talent to the portal or graduation last season. UCF also had a coaching change and lost most of their talent as well. So last season isn't at all representative of the quality of team that will be joining the B12 next year. Maybe the new coaches just need time to build programs. Time will tell.
 
undersized_post said:
Whatever source you're quoting here is at least a year old. BYU's tourney upset of Rutgers happened in 2021, and that coach is retired now. BYU lost all of its talent to the portal or graduation last season. UCF also had a coaching change and lost most of their talent as well. So last season isn't at all representative of the quality of team that will be joining the B12 next year. Maybe the new coaches just need time to build programs. Time will tell.
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^This. The newcomers suck in WBB and will be bottom of the league starting out. The "new" league will be fine in MBB and okay in football but there's no way to spin WBB as anything but weaker in a league that was already "down".

Current NET for these teams.
Houston 75
BYU 106
UFC 160
Cinci 184

By NET they would be 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th in the Big 12 with only TCU being worse. It's possible that being in a better league will help their recruiting but that's going to be years to see if it comes to fruition.
 
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Sunday's Big 12 games:

Oklahoma 86, Kansas 80
Only 4 points scored in the last 3:00 of the game -- all OU FT

Texas 74, West Virginia 48
UT started the game with a 17-2 run and didn't look back
 
BIG 12 STANDINGS/SCHEDULE

TEAMW-LMIDWEEK (all Wed.)WEEKEND
Texas12-3openat OU
Oklahoma12-3openvs UT
Iowa State9-5at OSUvs TCU
Oklahoma State9-5vs ISUat KU (Sun.)
West Virginia7-7at TTUvs KSU
Baylor7-7at TCUvs TTU
Kansas6-8at KSUvs OSU (Sun.)
Texas Tech4-10vs WVUat BU
Kansas State4-10vs KUat WVU
TCU1-13vs BUat ISU
 
BoxsterCy said:
^This. The newcomers suck in WBB and will be bottom of the league starting out. The "new" league will be fine in MBB and okay in football but there's no way to spin WBB as anything but weaker in a league that was already "down".

Current NET for these teams.
Houston 75
BYU 106
UFC 160
Cinci 184

By NET they would be 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th in the Big 12 with only TCU being worse. It's possible that being in a better league will help their recruiting but that's going to be years to see if it comes to fruition.
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It's easy to say that based on this year's performance. A couple of teams...including BYU have shown they can succeed. I'm not saying they won't start out at the bottom, but a couple of the teams have coaches that will bring them up in the standings. Being a part of a better conference will allow them to recruit better players. I suspect we will see them blend in rather nicely after a few years.
 
theshadow said:
Sunday's Big 12 games:

Oklahoma 86, Kansas 80
Only 4 points scored in the last 3:00 of the game -- all OU FT

Texas 74, West Virginia 48
UT started the game with a 17-2 run and didn't look back
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I watched the Texas game (first half). WVU had every chance to be ahead of a cold shooting Texas by the half. Texas went EIGHT minutes without a basket. But, woof...WVU was miserable on offense. I don't know how they beat us even when we were having a terrible day. They aren't good in any form or fashion.
 
acoustimac said:
I watched the Texas game (first half). WVU had every chance to be ahead of a cold shooting Texas by the half. Texas went EIGHT minutes without a basket. But, woof...WVU was miserable on offense. I don't know how they beat us even when we were having a terrible day. They aren't good in any form or fashion.
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WVU lost two starters in our game (I think for the season) - makes a huge difference in their team.
 
AP vs NET Comparison, Feb. 20:

TEAMAPNET
South Carolina11
Indiana24
Stanford33
UConn42
LSU55
Iowa66
Maryland714
Utah88
Virginia Tech912
Notre Dame107
Duke119
Michigan1216
Oklahoma1333
Arizona1422
Villanova1511
Ohio State1618
UCLA1725
Gonzaga1844
Texas1910
Iowa State2013
Colorado2121
North Carolina2226
Florida State2317
UNLV2452
Illinois2535
Middle Tennessee2630
South Florida2732
Oklahoma State2843
Creighton2920
N.C. State3019
Florida Gulf CoastT3148
LouisvilleT3129
TennesseeT3115
MarquetteT3439
Cleveland StateT3463
South Dakota St.3640
ToledoT3768
USCT3728
ColumbiaT3736
Illinois StateT3789
UMassT3755
Ole MissT3727

NET Top 25, not in AP Poll:
Alabama (23), Oregon (24)

Biggest difference, AP vs NET:
+52 Illinois State (AP 37, NET 89)
+31 Toledo (AP 37, NET 68)
+29 Cleveland State (AP 34, NET 63)
+28 UNLV (AP 24, NET 52)
+26 Gonzaga (AP 18, NET 44)
+20 Oklahoma (AP 13, NET 33)
+18 UMass (AP 37, NET 55)
+17 Florida Gulf Coast (AP 31, NET 48)
+15 Oklahoma State (AP 28, NET 43)
+10 Illinois (AP 25, NET 35)
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-16 Tennessee (AP 31, NET 15)
-11 N.C. State (AP 30, NET 19)
-10 Ole Miss (AP 37, NET 27)
-9 USC (AP 37, NET 28)
-9 Creighton (AP 29, NET 20)
-9 Texas (AP 19, NET 10)
-7 Iowa State (AP 20, NET 13)
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