Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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UNLESS... the lowball offers drive the M4 to come to the Big12 in a panic to hit the door before ORWA does. I think at this point, its that or status quo as you say.
Seems they have a lot of excuses.
Wouldn't it be better to just say "meh, we don't really care, about sports ball"
In the end, if they cared, a 45 min drive, a beach, or all the other wonderful things they have to do would not matter if the fans they have cared, but they don't. So instead of coming up with all the excuses, just say, watching sports is not that important and they would rather be doing anything else.
I think that is part of the problem, people act like they are such an important program, but their viewership numbers show the opposite. Then when people point this out, they come up with all these excuses, which doesn't make it any better. It just means they have excuses for why they have other things to do than watch these programs, basically proving all the points of people that point out that no one cares about them. These excuses just give proof that people don't care and have reasons not to.
The Pac is in the low 30s, with all things together, that is their Tier 1,2 and 3 media income, their ad revenue, NCAA tournament revenue, Bowl revenue, etc all included.
So the media portion of that is not 30M. Without going back and looking it up I would guess it is probably about 18-20M per for all tiers, outside last year (they only got 18.2M last year total).
My guess is the 16M is basically the same money they are getting now, minus the value for USCLA. The problem is the PAC is so arrogant they think without USCLA they didnt lose value, they doubled their value.
Because that 30M per, they want from ESPN, would still not include the tier 3 on the PACN, and would not include all the other income that comes in, from bowls, tourneys etc. They are expecting just the media deal to basically double, with less valuable product.
If I had to guess, I would think espn’s offer includes tier 1, 2, and 3. ESPN would either absorb the pacn, or it would just go away and they’d use espn+ for the tier 3 rights.
While a new on-campus stadium would probably be a good idea to improve their atmosphere (both because of students and because that shallow bowl kind of sucks for giving a loud, raucus atmosphere), I dont know that I buy it for overall attendance. Its not like most P5 conference teams are getting all their attendance from their own cities. Outside of students, there are probably more ISU fans coming up from the des moines area than ames residents in the stadium on gameday.
Honestly when some of their games theyre only selling like 30k tickets, it raises the question of why theyre not doing more to put these on fire-sale. Do what ISU did and give cheap AF options to get people in the door, and hope they keep coming back. In a metro area that large you'd think there'd be at least some who would take up that offer.
Honestly when some of their games theyre only selling like 30k tickets, it raises the question of why theyre not doing more to put these on fire-sale. Do what ISU did and give cheap AF options to get people in the door, and hope they keep coming back. In a metro area that large you'd think there'd be at least some who would take up that offer.
Possibly, even if it did, it still does not include the other stuff like bowl pay, ncaa pay, ad revenue, etc. That they include in their payout numbers each year. The media numbers are just part of it. ESPN offering 16M is probably somewhere similar to what they are getting now, minus the value of USCLA, that 30M number they are wanting is straight media money from ESPN, not including all the other income from bowls etc. So looking at that, what they are asking for is nearly double what ESPN is offering.
2014 they averaged 76,650 fans. Took it being a 3rd 9 win season though, I believe.
SitRep? 544 pages. Whew, you guys have good endurance!
Who might be the other 2 now, to make 14?
I meant Big 12 teams!!Oklahoma and Texas.
Haha!
Funny (not really) I don't even think of them as conference teams anymore. And I guess I just thought they were taking their lunch and leaving after this year. Your right though, might have to count them in until the end.
Man, I hope he’s wrong. I don’t see teams leaving for 10% more.
He’s the guy who has been saying the pac was stronger than the b12 so this is a change.
They get security also. With those four pac teams the conference seems pretty steady
I say we take OU and Wash if they aren’t b10 bound. If they are, select 2 and stop. What will happen then is the PAC will add on and 3 teams will separate themselves from the pack and create extra perceived value. You then have bolstered their/your value to take them. Also gives time to let the ACC stuff play out. We aren’t looking to be top 2 we are looking to be long haul number 3. Let the PAC whither on the vine and position to grab some ACCs.
Bob is good at what he does. I've taken a break from listening due to the Baylor game, but Sic'em has him on a bit and he seems pretty smart. IDK if he has the correct numbers or if he's guessing but I bet it's not far away.
I mean when Amazon makes a deal with the Big 10 to add more west coast schools, which their new contract allows for and is designed for, none of that will matter. Because when the B1G grabs 2-4 more Pac schools any that are left that we want we will have our choice of which to take.
The Amazon involvement with the Big10 is interesting. But it would seem like that would only make sense if the Big10 added 4-6 more teams beyond the 16. And some high profile teams at that.
I can't believe NBC or CBS are going to give up premier Big10 games each week. Fox is going to want a top game for it's Big Noon slot as well.
So does Amazon see value in showing the 4th or 5th best Big10 game each week?
Big noon is chasing Michigan right now. Was in Iowa Saturday and will be at Indiana on this Saturday.