F the refs and F Baylor
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So, you are saying that:
1) The penalties from that bogus targeting call had NO impact on Baylor scoring on that drive?
2) The player ejected for the game had NO impact on the remainder of the game?
Also, the take that I hear so often about how badly we played is a red herring. Are you saying that we can ONLY have a beef with the refereeing when we play a PERFECT game? That is just ignorant.
The officiating was terrible and most calls generally went against us, but were were the recipient of a terrible call that gave us a "chance". No way the video evidence showed that possession was clearly re-established in the end zone. That call had absolutely no business being overturned.
The reality is the officiating didn't come close to costing us this game. We were dominating in both play and scheme at the line of scrimmage. Manning consistently used 5 lineman and Baylor used a 4 man front with wide splits that consistently created pass rush angles. Our tackles were beat with speed the entire game, hanging Dekkers out to dry, yet we made zero adjustments. Manning also continues to abhor using crosses or other "hot routes" that gives his QB options when he needs to throw. When you watch the film our receivers weren't even out of their breaks when the pressure was coming. It was a problem when Purdy was here as well. When what we do offensively isn't working we need to adjust.
The defense wasn't much better. With Rose and Enyi, the 3 man front worked more consistently than it has this year. Even then, we have routinely had issues against the upper echelon competition when it comes to getting some kind of push at the line of scrimmage. This year that push has been harder to come by and we done have a tackling machine like rose taking care of those gaps. Baylor utterly destroyed us at the line of scrimmage and we didn't adjust or have an answer. At some point, we need to consistently have 4 plus guys at the line (different people moving around) as we aren't getting it done with 3 people.
Baylor was the better team and our coaching staff was thoroughly dismantled with strategy. If our staff won't make adjustments when their scheme/plan isn't working it's going to be a long season. The bad calls simply made it more irritating.
The reality is the officiating didn't come close to costing us this game. We were dominating in both play and scheme at the line of scrimmage. Manning consistently used 5 lineman and Baylor used a 4 man front with wide splits that consistently created pass rush angles. Our tackles were beat with speed the entire game, hanging Dekkers out to dry, yet we made zero adjustments. Manning also continues to abhor using crosses or other "hot routes" that gives his QB options when he needs to throw. When you watch the film our receivers weren't even out of their breaks when the pressure was coming. It was a problem when Purdy was here as well. When what we do offensively isn't working we need to adjust.
The defense wasn't much better. With Rose and Enyi, the 3 man front worked more consistently than it has this year. Even then, we have routinely had issues against the upper echelon competition when it comes to getting some kind of push at the line of scrimmage. This year that push has been harder to come by and we done have a tackling machine like rose taking care of those gaps. Baylor utterly destroyed us at the line of scrimmage and we didn't adjust or have an answer. At some point, we need to consistently have 4 plus guys at the line (different people moving around) as we aren't getting it done with 3 people.
Baylor was the better team and our coaching staff was thoroughly dismantled with strategy. If our staff won't make adjustments when their scheme/plan isn't working it's going to be a long season. The bad calls simply made it more irritating.
I want to know that and why did they review it with no call on the field. One of my thoughts was the play clock was running down and then Baylor would have had to take a timeout or 5 yard penalty. Just my thought
Uuuhhhhhh…..I saw it live and saw the recovery. The final replay at the game they showed, it was 100% the angle I had and fully obvious he had a knee down and possession. Not sure what they showed on TV.
A guy on SEMO got ejected on a targeting call in our first game, same thing happened to him. No call on the field, but the booth called down and reviewed it. I thought that was a garbage ejection too. Helmets contacting each other can be completely incidental during a tackle. Seemed like it was that way for the SEMO call and this one yesterday. What makes it worse IMO is that the ball carrier almost always has the last "move" if you will in ducking down to brace for a tackle when he sees it coming. By that point, the defender has already had to start diving toward making the tackle and he may have no way to pull up by then. No one wants to be caught not being the lowest man in a collision because you'll get stood up and possibly hurt.
actually, there is a picture on twitter, and I think it is linked on this board, where it shows he did in fact have possession of the ball, it is big as sh#t, as in irrefutable. They made the right call, we scored the touchdown.
Again, then you are saying that you know FOR SURE that Baylor scores on that drive WITHOUT the targeting yardage. And that you know FOR SURE that our defense wasn't hampered AT ALL by the ejection of our player. This is nonsense!
Plus, we lost by SEVEN. Not 14, not 10, SEVEN. It matters not to me if we didn't play our best game. If Baylor doesn't score on that drive, that gives us a chance to win, regardless of our suckage. Do not conflate our poor performance and the refs influence in the game.
That is not irrefutable evidence. I watched the game, watched all of the replays, and didn't see anything that showed he conclusively controlled the ball before going out of bounds.
Same would have been true if it was ruled a recovered touchdown. There was nothing show that conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field. Doing so was horrendous.
That SEMO kid did commit targeting. The rule is there to protect tacklers as much as ball carriers. He lowered his head and launched into Brock, initiating contact with the crown of his helmet. He put himself in a dangerous situation.
I didn't see Freyler's hit live. But the replays I've seen I'm not super upset with that call. I'm most upset with the inconsistencies applied to each team. Either let them play or don't, but it has to cut both ways.
And the fumble recovery wasn't a make up call like some have said, it was the right call.
What we need is more alumni inserted into these media companies. As we've found out from conference realignment, the checks they sign pay the bills.
It would be easy enough to apply pressure to the Big 12 from that position to fix their officiating policies (or just "fix" the games for ISU lol).
It would be easy enough to apply pressure to the Big 12 from that position to fix their officiating policies (or just "fix" the games for ISU lol).
didn't they get 7 on the drive where we stopped them on 3rd and 7, the one where they call the low block on AJ? We legitimately stopped them on that drive.
I'm not saying they would have scored for sure, simply that overturning the ruling on the field, when there wasn't conclusive evidence to do so, gave us 7 points. That is something that can't even be debated.
Despite the score the game never really felt close. We made some plays but at the end of the day Baylor was really in total control. We were outplayed, outcoached, and didn't make adjustments to give us a realistic chance. Even then I'm not sure it would have mattered as we were consistently beaten at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
You might be right on this one. I was at a kid's volleyball game for most of the first half. Saw the video (atrocious call) but couldn't recall the circumstance.
At least the box score is accounting for it now . . . .
I disagree. The refs extended scoring drives for Baylor and I think the early calls affected the aggressiveness the team played with. There was more hesitation in tackling. It was almost like the refs said, okay Iowa State, now you have to play with an arm tied behind your back.
Where do I get this TV package where I can see all of the camera angles from the truck?