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The Big 12 Conference wrapped up its 2021-22 business meetings with the following announcements.

^$42.6 million in revenue will be distributed to each institution. This is an increase of 20% from last year and a 9% increase from pre-pandemic levels.

^The annual Big 12 Men’s and Women’s Sportsmanship Awards will be re-named the Bob Bowlsby Awards.

^In 2024, the Phillips 66 Big 12 Women’s Basketball Championship will move to T-Mobile Center. The women’s and men’s championships will run consecutively with the women playing on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday and Tuesday. The men will play Tuesday-Saturday. Kansas City was awarded a two-year extension as host through the 2027 tournaments.

^Television coverage on ESPN+ was added for the Big 12 Men’s and Women’s Golf Championships.
 
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surly said:
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The Big 12 Conference wrapped up its 2021-22 business meetings with the following announcements.

^$42.6 million in revenue will be distributed to each institution. This is an increase of 20% from last year and a 9% increase from pre-pandemic levels.

^The annual Big 12 Men’s and Women’s Sportsmanship Awards will be re-named the Bob Bowlsby Awards.

^In 2024, the Phillips 66 Big 12 Women’s Basketball Championship will move to T-Mobile Center. The women’s and men’s championships will run consecutively with the women playing on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday and Tuesday. The men will play Tuesday-Saturday. Kansas City was awarded a two-year extension as host through the 2027 tournaments.

^Television coverage on ESPN+ was added for the Big 12 Men’s and Women’s Golf Championships.
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This seems good?
 
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surly said:
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The Big 12 Conference wrapped up its 2021-22 business meetings with the following announcements.

^$42.6 million in revenue will be distributed to each institution. This is an increase of 20% from last year and a 9% increase from pre-pandemic levels.

^The annual Big 12 Men’s and Women’s Sportsmanship Awards will be re-named the Bob Bowlsby Awards.

^In 2024, the Phillips 66 Big 12 Women’s Basketball Championship will move to T-Mobile Center. The women’s and men’s championships will run consecutively with the women playing on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday and Tuesday. The men will play Tuesday-Saturday. Kansas City was awarded a two-year extension as host through the 2027 tournaments.

^Television coverage on ESPN+ was added for the Big 12 Men’s and Women’s Golf Championships.
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Playing 5 days, are the 1st round winners getting day 2 off? That could mean 2 games per day until the final on Saturday.
 
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surly said:
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The Big 12 Conference wrapped up its 2021-22 business meetings with the following announcements.

^$42.6 million in revenue will be distributed to each institution. This is an increase of 20% from last year and a 9% increase from pre-pandemic levels.

^The annual Big 12 Men’s and Women’s Sportsmanship Awards will be re-named the Bob Bowlsby Awards.

^In 2024, the Phillips 66 Big 12 Women’s Basketball Championship will move to T-Mobile Center. The women’s and men’s championships will run consecutively with the women playing on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday and Tuesday. The men will play Tuesday-Saturday. Kansas City was awarded a two-year extension as host through the 2027 tournaments.

^Television coverage on ESPN+ was added for the Big 12 Men’s and Women’s Golf Championships.
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So the Pac 12 pays out 19M per school, and the Big 12 pays out right about even with the SEC (reportedly "about 43M") and more than double the Pac 12. But all we ever hear is the Big 12 is in trouble, and crickets about the Pac 12.

How are these Pac 12 schools not looking for greener pastures? And how is that not all over the news?

I am so tired of the narrative we always hear about the Big 12 and the obvious complete pampering of the Pac 12.
 
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www.si.com

Big 12 Revenue 'Still Third' Among Power 5 Conferences But 'Not Light Years' Behind

The Big Ten and the SEC still reign supreme, but the Big 12's 2022 payout is better than was projected by data analysts.
www.si.com www.si.com

Big Ten was forecast at $57.2 million and the SEC at $54.3 million. The Pac-12 was projected at $34.4 million per school, while the ACC was at $30.9 million.
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www.mercurynews.com

Updated Power Five revenue projections show Pac-12 deficit expanding as COVID hits, ACC Network grows and Big Ten, SEC rake in the cash

The COVID year financials pushed the Pac-12 into a deeper hole relative to the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC. And the trajectory appears set for the next three years.
www.mercurynews.com www.mercurynews.com

The tally for FY21:

SEC: $54.6 million per school
Big Ten: $46.1 million per school
ACC: $36.6 million per school
Big 12: $35.6 million per school
Pac-12: $19.8 million per school

(Figures for all leagues except the Pac-12 were published last week by USA Today. When a range of payouts within a specific conference was published, we have averaged them for clarity.)

Of note though I have seen Multiple numbers for the SEC showing anywhere from 43-55M and I have seen numbers for the B1G as high as 57M, and now we see the number released from the Big 12 at 42.6M I dont know what to make of this. Supposedly this information is directly from each tax returns.
 
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SC, Oregon, Washington and UCLA have to be desperate for an escape hatch...
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You would think.

I have become more in tune to the fact that even if the B1G raids the Pac 12 for teams like those, and the fact that it is more likely than they come after someone like us. We will be fine.

Because I have started to believe that if/when those schools jump to the B1G, the remaining schools will be scrambling for a home, and at this point the Big 12 is doing way better than they are.

You have to believe that half of that league could end up in the Big 12. Colorado, Utah, Oregon St, Wash St, Arizona, Arizona St, Any or all sound mighty fine.

Personally I think, the B1G could go after, or need to take because of politics, Colorado, Oregon, SC, UCLA, Washington, Stanford.

I could see Cal going either place but it is dependent on politics and more than anything. Does the Cal schools stick together and force the issue, does Colorado get in, in place of one, or maybe Arizona.

Either way the remainder will look to jump to the Big 12 instead of falling down to G5 or trying to bring up more teams I would think, they are already too far behind in everything as it is and need more eyeballs in other time zones.
 
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2speedy1 said:
You would think.

I have become more in tune to the fact that even if the B1G raids the Pac 12 for teams like those, and the fact that it is more likely than they come after someone like us. We will be fine.

Because I have started to believe that if/when those schools jump to the B1G, the remaining schools will be scrambling for a home, and at this point the Big 12 is doing way better than they are.

You have to believe that half of that league could end up in the Big 12. Colorado, Utah, Oregon St, Wash St, Arizona, Arizona St, Any or all sound mighty fine.

Personally I think, the B1G could go after, or need to take because of politics, Colorado, Oregon, SC, UCLA, Washington, Stanford.

I could see Cal going either place but it is dependent on politics and more than anything. Does the Cal schools stick together and force the issue, does Colorado get in, in place of one, or maybe Arizona.

Either way the remainder will look to jump to the Big 12 instead of falling down to G5 or trying to bring up more teams I would think, they are already too far behind in everything as it is and need more eyeballs in other time zones.
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Not sure I would want to see Oregon State or Wash State in the Big12. IMO they are MWC schools & geographically not a great fit. I would take SDSU & UNLV over them.

I would be all over CU, Utah, Arizona & Arizona State as Big12 members.
 
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Not sure I would want to see Oregon State or Wash State in the Big12. IMO they are MWC schools & geographically not a great fit. I would take SDSU & UNLV over them.

I would be all over CU, Utah, Arizona & Arizona State as Big12 members.
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Oregon St and Wash St are much more valuable programs than SDSU and UNLV. SDSU and UNLV would be below even the lowest we added this round. They dont add value and probably is a reason the Pac 12 hasnt jumped at adding them. I realize they are in larger markets, but they just dont have the following.

In another respect the endowment of UNLV and SDSU are less than 1/3 of that of OSU and WSU. They are just not of the caliber of schools.

Football Revenu for each rank,

UNLV - 84 - $12.2M
SDSU - 78 - $13.5M
OrSt - 57 - $35.6M
WaSt - 46 - $44.0M

ISU - 34 -$52.1M

WVU - 72 - $18.9M current lowest Big 12

Houston - 73 - $18.1M
Cinci - 75 -$15.8M
UCF - 63 - $27.3M
BYU - 65 - $25.0M

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Oregon St and Wash St are much more valuable programs than SDSU and UNLV. SDSU and UNLV would be below even the lowest we added this round. They dont add value and probably is a reason the Pac 12 hasnt jumped at adding them. I realize they are in larger markets, but they just dont have the following.

In another respect the endowment of UNLV and SDSU are less than 1/3 of that of OSU and WSU. They are just not of the caliber of schools.

Football Revenu for each rank,

UNLV - 84 - $12.2M
SDSU - 78 - $13.5M
OrSt - 57 - $35.6M
WaSt - 46 - $44.0M

ISU - 34 -$52.1M

WVU - 72 - $18.9M current lowest Big 12

Houston - 73 - $18.1M
Cinci - 75 -$15.8M
UCF - 63 - $27.3M
BYU - 65 - $25.0M

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Current revenue is no way to rank a P5 vs G5 conference as much of the revenue comes from the Conferences TV contract.

In the case of WSU & OSU their revenues are inflated by revenue related to USC, UW, UCLA and Oregon's brand.

I don"t think it's a stretch to say WSU & OSU have the 11th & 12th media rights value in the Pac12.

Plus, geographically those 2 schools would be on an island. I would much rather the Big12 build a strong presence in Colorado, Utah, Arizona and adjacent population centers like Las Vegas & San Diego vs Pullman & Corvallis.

If endowment is a criteria, then Grinnell should be in the Big 12 instead of Iowa State!
 
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GoldCy said:
Our history says we are a fit with OS & WS.
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What do you mean by history? Land Grant schools with similar academic missions.

The big12 is a athletics conference. The Big12's future strength is maximizing media rights and creating a strong brand. Not sure how WSU or ISU fit those goals

Both are fine schools- but I just don't see them as good fits.
 
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So the Pac 12 pays out 19M per school, and the Big 12 pays out right about even with the SEC (reportedly "about 43M") and more than double the Pac 12. But all we ever hear is the Big 12 is in trouble, and crickets about the Pac 12.

How are these Pac 12 schools not looking for greener pastures? And how is that not all over the news?

I am so tired of the narrative we always hear about the Big 12 and the obvious complete pampering of the Pac 12.
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When/If the P12 sells PACN or moves all FB inventory off of it, they will get higher payouts per school than the projected B12 will for their new TV deal. And the P12 and B12 R8 (minus WV) +BYU would get even higher payouts in a Pac20 scenario with the aggregated inventory.
 
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