The “We Will” Collective

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The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced this collective is the absolutely wrong way to go (and actually that it will fail). It's only serving to try to help people rationalize the giving of money to the players. Adding this layer of activity is just an effort to help fans feel better about doing what they otherwise would not want to do.

During this anxious phase of "we have to do something!", it's not surprising that some would get on board and be willing to buy into this, but as we get further away from the moment Tyrese sent that tweet, more people are going to think clearly and see this for what it is. It's just a bad idea. I understand if some still want to get to a place where paying players is a thing - fine. But this isn't the path. It's wasteful, inefficient, and borderline dishonest (sounds like our government actually).

These organizers are some of the best people affiliated with Iowa State, so I do honestly appreciate their efforts (even if I completely disagree with the outcome). Hopefully sooner rather than later they can receive some sound council on where to pivot to (assuming they are going to try to proceed).
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While I applaud the donors and administrators who are trying to keep ISU competitive in this crazy new NIL environment, there are two reasons why I think we're going the wrong direction.

First, it's doubtful to me that this crazy environment we're currently in is going to last very long. It can't because it's not sustainable, not just for ISU but also for the vast majority of other colleges and universities across the nation. The period we're in now is just a short (hopefully) transition period until saner heads prevail and come up with an approach that's sustainable and does a much better job of establishing a level playing field for all colleges.

Second, why would we want to put all our efforts into trying to compete with the blue bloods financially when we already know we don't have the financial resources they have? When Matt Campbell and his staff came to ISU, the Big 12 was full of spread offenses with 4-3 defenses. Instead of trying to emulate all the other schools, he went a different direction with a 3 tight end offense and a cloud defense. He zigged when everyone else was zagging, and he was so successful that the other Big 12 schools are trying to emulate ISU.

In times like this, we need to innovate. We need to be bold. We need to lead rather than follow. While I don't know exactly how we should innovate, I'd rather invest my time and energy figuring that out than trying to follow everyone else when I know for sure it's a losing battle.
 
While I applaud the donors and administrators who are trying to keep ISU competitive in this crazy new NIL environment, there are two reasons why I think we're going the wrong direction.

First, it's doubtful to me that this crazy environment we're currently in is going to last very long. It can't because it's not sustainable, not just for ISU but also for the vast majority of other colleges and universities across the nation. The period we're in now is just a short (hopefully) transition period until saner heads prevail and come up with an approach that's sustainable and does a much better job of establishing a level playing field for all colleges.

Second, why would we want to put all our efforts into trying to compete with the blue bloods financially when we already know we don't have the financial resources they have? When Matt Campbell and his staff came to ISU, the Big 12 was full of spread offenses with 4-3 defenses. Instead of trying to emulate all the other schools, he went a different direction with a 3 tight end offense and a cloud defense. He zigged when everyone else was zagging, and he was so successful that the other Big 12 schools are trying to emulate ISU.

In times like this, we need to innovate. We need to be bold. We need to lead rather than follow. While I don't know exactly how we should innovate, I'd rather invest my time and energy figuring that out than trying to follow everyone else when I know for sure it's a losing battle.
I am not a fan of the current state of affairs, but even I can see that a kid who actually wants to be part of a Matt Campbell program is more likely to stick around for the atmosphere and culture if they are turning down an offer of twice what ISU is offering rather than an infinite percentage more than what ISU is (isn't) offering. I have turned down other jobs that were a raise over my current job because of work environment, autonomy, boss relationships, etc. But there is a limit to the amount of compensation difference that is palatable in such cases.

That being said, the innovative way can still be sought even while ISU is at least making an effort to keep up with the Joneses.
 
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While I applaud the donors and administrators who are trying to keep ISU competitive in this crazy new NIL environment, there are two reasons why I think we're going the wrong direction.

First, it's doubtful to me that this crazy environment we're currently in is going to last very long. It can't because it's not sustainable, not just for ISU but also for the vast majority of other colleges and universities across the nation. The period we're in now is just a short (hopefully) transition period until saner heads prevail and come up with an approach that's sustainable and does a much better job of establishing a level playing field for all colleges.

Second, why would we want to put all our efforts into trying to compete with the blue bloods financially when we already know we don't have the financial resources they have? When Matt Campbell and his staff came to ISU, the Big 12 was full of spread offenses with 4-3 defenses. Instead of trying to emulate all the other schools, he went a different direction with a 3 tight end offense and a cloud defense. He zigged when everyone else was zagging, and he was so successful that the other Big 12 schools are trying to emulate ISU.

In times like this, we need to innovate. We need to be bold. We need to lead rather than follow. While I don't know exactly how we should innovate, I'd rather invest my time and energy figuring that out than trying to follow everyone else when I know for sure it's a losing battle.

I think from our standpoint, we don't want to compete with blue bloods, we need to retain the players who are here. Look at Tyrese, maybe if we had given him 100-200k, he may have stayed because he could see the value in staying here and having a team built around him, rather than seeing bigger dollar signs at unknown destinations.

I don't remember where I saw it, but the collective won't go out and offer recruits money to come to ISU, its for players who are already a part of the university. Thus, this collective is a retention organization than a recruiting organization. My opinion based on what I have read as I don't have any inside information.
 
I am not a fan of the current state of affairs, but even I can see that a kid who actually wants to be part of a Matt Campbell program is more likely to stick around for the atmosphere and culture if they are turning down an offer of twice what ISU is offering rather than an infinite percentage more than what ISU is (isn't) offering. I have turned down other jobs that were a raise over my current job because of work environment, autonomy, boss relationships, etc. But there is a limit to the amount of compensation difference that is palatable in such cases.

That being said, the innovative way can still be sought even while ISU is at least making an effort to keep up with the Joneses.
These are 18-22 year old kids, most come from poorer backgrounds, they don’t give a damn about work environment. They’re at the school for no more than 5 years, most less than that.

Culture is great, but being able to change the course of your families lives is what they care about.

Look at all those guys that played at Iowa, and put up with all of that racial ********, they did that because Iowa puts dudes in the nfl. Now those same kids can go somewhere and start getting paid right away
 
Tough time to roll out the collective when the economy isn't going well. Also, why the green background on the tweet - color of money!?
It's a soccer field.

For ****'s sake, this thread is exactly why ISU is dead last in donations in the Big 12. Oh boo hoo about the website not being pretty enough for you guys. The names associated should be all that you need to know when it comes to credibility.

Are any of the other school collectives worried about the state of the economy? They're asking for people who have the money to step up and donate.

Look, guys. It's not complicated. You donate money. The money goes to the players.

They are adding the charity part to follow the original intent of NIL while also possibly doing some good for the community.

Yes, I've donated.
 
I am not a fan of the current state of affairs, but even I can see that a kid who actually wants to be part of a Matt Campbell program is more likely to stick around for the atmosphere and culture if they are turning down an offer of twice what ISU is offering rather than an infinite percentage more than what ISU is (isn't) offering. I have turned down other jobs that were a raise over my current job because of work environment, autonomy, boss relationships, etc. But there is a limit to the amount of compensation difference that is palatable in such cases.

That being said, the innovative way can still be sought even while ISU is at least making an effort to keep up with the Joneses.
You make a valid point. I'm not suggesting we don't do anything to recruit and retain our athletes. I'm just suggesting that no matter how much we ask our fans to donate beyond what they're already donating, it will not be enough to seriously compete on the financial landscape. We need to find other carrots beyond cash.
 
These are 18-22 year old kids, most come from poorer backgrounds, they don’t give a damn about work environment. They’re at the school for no more than 5 years, most less than that.

Culture is great, but being able to change the course of your families lives is what they care about.

Look at all those guys that played at Iowa, and put up with all of that racial ********, they did that because Iowa puts dudes in the nfl. Now those same kids can go somewhere and start getting paid right away
While that is certainly true for some, that is a pretty general Statement. Some kids and their families are going to see a good path to success playing for good coaches like Campbell and maybe making less NIL for the few years they are in college. It's why Campbell and TJ will recruit those kids and hope they stick around vs recruiting kids after the biggest payday.
 
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It's a soccer field.

For ****'s sake, this thread is exactly why ISU is dead last in donations in the Big 12. Oh boo hoo about the website not being pretty enough for you guys. The names associated should be all that you need to know when it comes to credibility.

Are any of the other school collectives worried about the state of the economy? They're asking for people who have the money to step up and donate.

Look, guys. It's not complicated. You donate money. The money goes to the players.

They are adding the charity part to follow the original intent of NIL while also possibly doing some good for the community.

Yes, I've donated.
Man take a breath - it was a pretty basic statement. The economy contracted in the first quarter, a lot of talk about a recession and inflation in general are headwinds to any charitable organization. Also, I'm not a soccer fan so don't see the soccer field.
 
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Man take a breath - it was a pretty basic statement. The economy contracted in the first quarter, a lot of talk about a recession and inflation in general are headwinds to any charitable organization. Also, I'm not a soccer fan so don't see the soccer field.

I was responding to your post, but more this thread in general. The point is you don't see any other schools slowing the "rollout" of their collectives because of the economy or any other lame excuse. But ISU, perpetually in the bottom of college athletics for most of our lives, has fans who will find any reason to not donate what they can to help their school/teams. Your post was just a perfect (and most recent in the thread) encapsulation of the ISU fan mindset.

You don't have to be a soccer fan to recognize pretty basic field markings. Any 10 year old could tell you what it is. But sure, it's the color of money lol.
 
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