The “We Will” Collective
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They really need more information on their site. I'm going to do some sort of monthly donation, but I would like to know more about where everything is going and how the organization is actually going to run prior to actually doing it.
While I applaud the donors and administrators who are trying to keep ISU competitive in this crazy new NIL environment, there are two reasons why I think we're going the wrong direction.
First, it's doubtful to me that this crazy environment we're currently in is going to last very long. It can't because it's not sustainable, not just for ISU but also for the vast majority of other colleges and universities across the nation. The period we're in now is just a short (hopefully) transition period until saner heads prevail and come up with an approach that's sustainable and does a much better job of establishing a level playing field for all colleges.
Second, why would we want to put all our efforts into trying to compete with the blue bloods financially when we already know we don't have the financial resources they have? When Matt Campbell and his staff came to ISU, the Big 12 was full of spread offenses with 4-3 defenses. Instead of trying to emulate all the other schools, he went a different direction with a 3 tight end offense and a cloud defense. He zigged when everyone else was zagging, and he was so successful that the other Big 12 schools are trying to emulate ISU.
In times like this, we need to innovate. We need to be bold. We need to lead rather than follow. While I don't know exactly how we should innovate, I'd rather invest my time and energy figuring that out than trying to follow everyone else when I know for sure it's a losing battle.
First, it's doubtful to me that this crazy environment we're currently in is going to last very long. It can't because it's not sustainable, not just for ISU but also for the vast majority of other colleges and universities across the nation. The period we're in now is just a short (hopefully) transition period until saner heads prevail and come up with an approach that's sustainable and does a much better job of establishing a level playing field for all colleges.
Second, why would we want to put all our efforts into trying to compete with the blue bloods financially when we already know we don't have the financial resources they have? When Matt Campbell and his staff came to ISU, the Big 12 was full of spread offenses with 4-3 defenses. Instead of trying to emulate all the other schools, he went a different direction with a 3 tight end offense and a cloud defense. He zigged when everyone else was zagging, and he was so successful that the other Big 12 schools are trying to emulate ISU.
In times like this, we need to innovate. We need to be bold. We need to lead rather than follow. While I don't know exactly how we should innovate, I'd rather invest my time and energy figuring that out than trying to follow everyone else when I know for sure it's a losing battle.
Couldn’t have been a worse roll out.
I am not a fan of the current state of affairs, but even I can see that a kid who actually wants to be part of a Matt Campbell program is more likely to stick around for the atmosphere and culture if they are turning down an offer of twice what ISU is offering rather than an infinite percentage more than what ISU is (isn't) offering. I have turned down other jobs that were a raise over my current job because of work environment, autonomy, boss relationships, etc. But there is a limit to the amount of compensation difference that is palatable in such cases.
That being said, the innovative way can still be sought even while ISU is at least making an effort to keep up with the Joneses.
I think from our standpoint, we don't want to compete with blue bloods, we need to retain the players who are here. Look at Tyrese, maybe if we had given him 100-200k, he may have stayed because he could see the value in staying here and having a team built around him, rather than seeing bigger dollar signs at unknown destinations.
I don't remember where I saw it, but the collective won't go out and offer recruits money to come to ISU, its for players who are already a part of the university. Thus, this collective is a retention organization than a recruiting organization. My opinion based on what I have read as I don't have any inside information.
These are 18-22 year old kids, most come from poorer backgrounds, they don’t give a damn about work environment. They’re at the school for no more than 5 years, most less than that.
Culture is great, but being able to change the course of your families lives is what they care about.
Look at all those guys that played at Iowa, and put up with all of that racial ********, they did that because Iowa puts dudes in the nfl. Now those same kids can go somewhere and start getting paid right away
How many charities do you donate to where the charity doesn’t tell you anything about where the money is going or any specifics?
It's a soccer field.
For ****'s sake, this thread is exactly why ISU is dead last in donations in the Big 12. Oh boo hoo about the website not being pretty enough for you guys. The names associated should be all that you need to know when it comes to credibility.
Are any of the other school collectives worried about the state of the economy? They're asking for people who have the money to step up and donate.
Look, guys. It's not complicated. You donate money. The money goes to the players.
They are adding the charity part to follow the original intent of NIL while also possibly doing some good for the community.
Yes, I've donated.
You make a valid point. I'm not suggesting we don't do anything to recruit and retain our athletes. I'm just suggesting that no matter how much we ask our fans to donate beyond what they're already donating, it will not be enough to seriously compete on the financial landscape. We need to find other carrots beyond cash.
While that is certainly true for some, that is a pretty general Statement. Some kids and their families are going to see a good path to success playing for good coaches like Campbell and maybe making less NIL for the few years they are in college. It's why Campbell and TJ will recruit those kids and hope they stick around vs recruiting kids after the biggest payday.
While it's been in a works for a couple months the premature rollout feels completely reactionary to Hunter leaving. How they thought this rollout strategy was a good one I have no idea.
Man take a breath - it was a pretty basic statement. The economy contracted in the first quarter, a lot of talk about a recession and inflation in general are headwinds to any charitable organization. Also, I'm not a soccer fan so don't see the soccer field.
If there is a collective that goes only to men’s basketball and the money is going to be used to bring in and retain talented athletes like Hunter, sign me up.
I was responding to your post, but more this thread in general. The point is you don't see any other schools slowing the "rollout" of their collectives because of the economy or any other lame excuse. But ISU, perpetually in the bottom of college athletics for most of our lives, has fans who will find any reason to not donate what they can to help their school/teams. Your post was just a perfect (and most recent in the thread) encapsulation of the ISU fan mindset.
You don't have to be a soccer fan to recognize pretty basic field markings. Any 10 year old could tell you what it is. But sure, it's the color of money lol.
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