Every MSU quarterback that has started more then 1 season has gone to the nfl going back to 2004 I believe. Wisconsin and Iowa are allergic to having good QB play (execpt for a Wilson season) PSU and Indiana get their QB's killed each year and Harbaugh has yet to develop a truly great QB. Thats the top half of the big ten. NW produced a NFL QB recently but I think that is the only other team in the big ten to do so outside of the ones i mentioned. A lot of people blame the cold and it being easer to have a run first team but you are right that it is odd.
CMC to Michigan?
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They can't compete on the DL. Sure, they could have the best DL in a given game but they still won't have the best DL. I actually think they could compete on the OL because that's a little easier to recruit geographically speaking. They "could" compete at any position group given one or two elite guys. The thing is there is just such a massive difference in recruiting a top 10 class every year and a top 3 class every year. It's probably bigger than a top 30 vs a top 50 class. Pile on top of all of that that essentially can't recruit regular transfers like everyone else can, which is a huge deal, and it becomes harder. When you can't go out and get 1-2 guys you really need to plug holes, that's a huge deal when you're already not as talented.
Yeah I agree with the difference between the top 3 vs top 10. They have shown year in and year out to have a great DL but DT has long been an issue that becomes a problem against the bama's and georgias of the world.
The transfer thing is a huge problem and the NIL issues will also be a problem going forwards.
Good question. I'm not sure they're all that different from the Big 12 at the moment. They're a conference that isn't filled with QB centric systems. I don't know why they aren't that good. I guess when you look at every conference is it a whole lot different? I mean, there are a lot of QBs being drafted high who aren't P5 QBs and there aren't a ton of QBs drafted high in general. This year, there are maybe two guys who are really worth looking at in the first round at the most important position on the field?
So I don't know. I think the position is really hard to play and just as hard to evaluate in HS and the Big Ten just hasn't been able to consistently get it right.
100% correct. Michigan has had several top rated QB's not pan out, clemson just had a 5 star this year that looked worse then most non power 5 QB's. Rattler turned into a pumpkin. Even the schools that seam to have excellent QB's like OSU, Bama, OU don't amount to anything (so far) in the NFL. Hardest position to evaluate.
When I watch the Big 12 I don't feel like I'm watching 1980s qbs struggle to hit wide open receivers.
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FWIW, I'm not talking about which conference has the most NFL success, I'm talking about competent/strong qb play tat the NCAA level.
I mean do you want the stereotypical Big 12 Defense response? Big 12 had just 5 defensive guys drafted in the first 4 rounds last year. SEC and BIG had 4 each drafted in the first. I know its a stereotype that doesn't always play out on the field (just look at the score board for a lot of games this year) but it does play out in the draft. Add in the fact that the Big 12 produces some excellent WR's and you get a lot of open space. Not as much open space as spartys secondary gives up but a lot.
Sterotypes aside I also think the level of WR has gone up dramatically in every conference making for a lot of really bad matchups.
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ell, we survived Notre Dame coaching change, Can't imagine Ryan Day leaving tOSU soon, Michigan and Penn St are really the only two jobs out there that would concern me at all if they came open.
ell, we survived Notre Dame coaching change, Can't imagine Ryan Day leaving tOSU soon, Michigan and Penn St are really the only two jobs out there that would concern me at all if they came open.
I heard CMC to CMU and they offered to flip back to a college instead of university. So CMC to CMC.
Your answer is that BIG qbs look like incompetent Jim Harbaughs, playing like spoiled vanilla ice cream is because the defenses are excellent?
Nope like I said there hasn’t been the talent produced outside of OSU. Michigan might have a good one next year. But playing against tougher defenses makes average QB’s look even worse and even made stroud look normal a couple times.
If it happens in college and not the NFL, it's not just the QB talent. Maybe the QBs aren't better in the Big 12, they've just had better coaches and systems to make them successful. Leach systems are a perfect example of this. He has one guy who's done anything in the NFL and most aren't given more than a passing glance.
It's an interesting topic. I'll also say that whether or not a QB succeeds in the NFL has much more to do with the people around him a lot of times. If those guys go to **** organizations, they're often ****.
Stanley never made the roster. Practice squad for 1 year. I think he currently works at a kiosk at the Mall of America selling cell phone cases. U of I degree came in handy.
As an oldster I've never , ever seen WRs as open as OSUs were against MSU.
We're talking being 15 yards open on 10 yard routes.
Yes but also a little bit of no. It obviously is huge to be succesful with good people around you, impossible to argue that.
but at the same time - Andrew Luck was succesful his first few years in Indy despite playing behind an original version of the current Cincinnati Bengals offensive line without the running game. There have been other examples but that one is probably the most recent. Even though his character may or may not be questionable depending on how accurate the allegations are against him - Deshaun Watson certainly succeeded in Houston without a great deal of a good organization. Matthew Stafford with the Lions.
Again, I completely agree that it makes it much easier to succeed with good people around you but some of these guys are so talented, they can still be at least marginally to if not more effective without a great situation.