Throwing downfield needs more that Dekkers arm

[CoachTretired]

Dekkers has been a student of the program for a few years now. He's listened to every play called. He's been through every practice. He's traveled and knows the system. We are fortunate to have him in place. He's participated in well under 1% of the plays on the field which is really the only mystery at this point. How will he look over multiple quarters and multiple games is of course a mystery and being Cyclone fans we tend to think the worst. I've seen comments regarding his accuracy, and yes, they are correct ... but what a tiny tiny sample size of his ability. He's had no chance to get into rhythm. He's been put into spots coming off the bench having not broken a sweat in warmups for hours. In front of huge crowds. Do you know how freakin difficult that is? I'd say given his student teaching and how he's performed under those conditions is reason to be very optimistic. I think when he's "the man", the game will slow down for him and we will be very pleased.

Well said.

 

[CyNews]

There are things you see at the game that you don't see on TV... Brock missed a lot of deep ball opportunities because he doesn't step up into the pocket or he was way too late on the read. Now a lot of that has to do with his size and that is a huge plus for Dekkers. You don't need a ton of time to throw the deep ball, you just have to be able to trust your receivers and step into the pocket and make a throw.

Have to have more reliable receivers.Brock would have been helped by that.

 

[WhoISthis]

Have to have more reliable receivers.Brock would have been helped by that.

They would have been better with a more talented arm too.
X and Kolar aren’t holding a QB back. Most ISU QBs didn’t have that luxury

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Have to have more reliable receivers.Brock would have been helped by that.

Honestly, I don't think we have a receiver problem.

 

[CyLyte2]

That was gonna be my callout -- he's gotta learn some touch. You don't need to rocket every single pass on a rope to somebody, nor is that going to help 50+ yards downfield. Deep throwing isn't just arm strength, it also requires arc and accuracy. Fortunately, these things can be taught and practiced.

You’ve not watched Dekkers.

 

[cymonw1980]

I think it's reasonable to think Seneca was better. I was at the FSU game, and his play in that game was maybe the most exciting feat I've witnessed from an ISU player. He was great, and he definitely didn't have the supporting cast or coaching that Purdy did.
But I have a hard time with the argument that Seneca was more of a "put the team on his back for a win" quarterback. Despite Seneca's talent, ISU got beaten badly in a lot of his starts, especially against good teams. That's just a fact. Brock wasn't as flashy, but his accuracy and decision making absolutely were major reasons we won so many games during his career. Many of those wins were against teams ranked much higher than us.
Like I said, I think it's a good argument both ways. I will be surprised if Purdy hangs around in the NFL as long as Wallace did, so maybe that's another mark in Wallace's favor.

To me I look at the poise in the pocket, decision making, and talent around the two QBs. Did Purdy's teams have the better wins? Sure. No question about that. But wins are not a QB stat.

The defensive performance in the last 4 yrs has been unbelievable. Many big time plays were made by others - Kene Nwangu's kick returns (Bay, OU), Breece Hall has had many big time plays / moments.

I love Purdy and all he has done for ISU and the way he leaves it all on the field.

But....

There was never a moment in a game where we were behind and I felt like, "get the ball in Purdy's hands and all is going to be fine". It was more a hope that the team could make enough plays to win - on ST, Def, and Off. Purdy is a key part of that. That is why he would be #2 on my list of best ISU QB's I have seen. But watching Wallace's poise in the pocket and ability to make plays... Just couldn't wait to see what he would do next. Never had that feeling with Purdy.

Last thing I would add, maybe if the coaches let Purdy go off script for 4 yrs and play the way he did as a Fr/So he would have had more of those moments. I don't know what was best for team success, but many of Purdy's numbers seemed to be better when he was playing outside the system / off schedule vs. within the scheme.

 

[CyNews]

Honestly, I don't think we have a receiver problem.

Deep threats???

 

[AuH2O]

Deep threats???

There are interesting arguments here, but let’s be honest, Seneca Wallace’s WR2 was Jack Whitver. Pretty tough to even try to compare the situations each QB was in.

 

[Tony Gunk]

That was gonna be my callout -- he's gotta learn some touch. You don't need to rocket every single pass on a rope to somebody, nor is that going to help 50+ yards downfield. Deep throwing isn't just arm strength, it also requires arc and accuracy. Fortunately, these things can be taught and practiced.

 

[clonebb]

i have multiple people post about allowing dekkers to throw the ball down field more. It takes much more that Dekkers arm. The biggest thing is that the offensive line has to give Dekkers time to throw. Alot of downfield routes take time to devolpe . if the offensive line cant give him more time to throw then he will be seeing more turf than open throws. i think that is why you didnt brock throw as much down field as we wanted him to . i think the coaching staff just understood that this line couldnt give him the time to do that

thank you Captain Obvious.

 

[CyNews]

There are interesting arguments here, but let’s be honest, Seneca Wallace’s WR2 was Jack Whitver. Pretty tough to even try to compare the situations each QB was in.

True. Where’s Hakeem Butler when you need him?

 

[WhoISthis]

Deep threats???

Does he have the arm for it?

 

[c.y.c.l.o.n.e.s]

Since Dekkers' arm strength is being discussed, I thought I'd add this for those who haven't seen it. At the Elite 11 competion between his Jr. and Sr. years in high school.

 

[hoosman]

Purdy is ranked #41 in QB efficiency .

 

[Cyclonepride]

Since Dekkers' arm strength is being discussed, I thought I'd add this for those who haven't seen it. At the Elite 11 competion between his Jr. and Sr. years in high school.

That is far

 

[GoldCy]

Principal #1. The 2nd team QB is the best QB
2 - coaches who see practice everyday know less about QB talent than cf posters.
3 - they changed BP from dual threat to pro style to keep him healthy because he deserved to play QB.

 

[SouthJerseyCy]

To me I look at the poise in the pocket, decision making, and talent around the two QBs. Did Purdy's teams have the better wins? Sure. No question about that. But wins are not a QB stat.

The defensive performance in the last 4 yrs has been unbelievable. Many big time plays were made by others - Kene Nwangu's kick returns (Bay, OU), Breece Hall has had many big time plays / moments.

I love Purdy and all he has done for ISU and the way he leaves it all on the field.

But....

There was never a moment in a game where we were behind and I felt like, "get the ball in Purdy's hands and all is going to be fine". It was more a hope that the team could make enough plays to win - on ST, Def, and Off. Purdy is a key part of that. That is why he would be #2 on my list of best ISU QB's I have seen. But watching Wallace's poise in the pocket and ability to make plays... Just couldn't wait to see what he would do next. Never had that feeling with Purdy.

Last thing I would add, maybe if the coaches let Purdy go off script for 4 yrs and play the way he did as a Fr/So he would have had more of those moments. I don't know what was best for team success, but many of Purdy's numbers seemed to be better when he was playing outside the system / off schedule vs. within the scheme.

My memory is not what it used to be, but prior to the last 4 years, almost every time we got more than a TD behind a good team (save for a couple of Hawk games and of course the OSU miracle), we folded like a tent. For whatever reason, the last 4 years we've made a habit of getting behind (an issue in its own right), but I've always been confident we'd be there in the end...and we have been...almost every time. That does not happen without a great QB.

ETA - I hope Dekker is even better, but be prepared for some growing pains.

 

[WhoISthis]

Principal #1. The 2nd team QB is the best QB
2 - coaches who see practice everyday know less about QB talent than cf posters.
3 - they changed BP from dual threat to pro style to keep him healthy because he deserved to play QB.

3rd team in the case of Purdy. Was 2018 that long ago?

 

[Gunnerclone]

Dekkers can have all the arm strength he wants, if he doesn’t have Brocks escapability, it’s a moot point. Brock may have made some mistakes but he was able to give his te a chance more often than not by somehow Houdini-ing out of sacks

Dekkers won’t need that as much, he has much better pocket presence and has the natural tendency to step up in the pocket because he’s an elite passer and that is what elite passers do. With his size he has the luxury to let pressure come closer and not worry about getting every 5th pocket pass batted down.

 

[CyLyte2]

Dekkers is a very good runner when he needs to be. He’s Lanning with better passing ability.