CycloneErik
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Piling on, he played with passion and didn't care about credit, just like his team did.
Hogue is a great way to show everything that lacks now with Prohm. That guy was amazing.
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Piling on, he played with passion and didn't care about credit, just like his team did.
Hogue is a great way to show everything that lacks now with Prohm. That guy was amazing.
Dustin Hogue was 6'6" 220 lbs. In 2013-2014, he averaged 8.4 rebounds per game, which is ridiculous.. Guys like him are very rare and you can't teach it.
What you can teach though is discipline and you can recruit size, two things that Prohm has not figured out how to do here.
I sound like a broken record at this point, but you can recruit rebounding. It is a skill. How Steve looked at last years team and decided what we needed were marginal shooter SG/Wings, I don't know. But it was obviously we needed shooting, rebounding and PG play, and we got Dubar, Walker, Blackwell, JCL, Foster and Harris, none of which do much to fit those needs. Nothing against them, they just don't bring the skillset we so badly needed.
CycloneErik
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Hey, lots of teams excel that aren't good at rebounding, shooting, passing, and defense, like, um, well, um, well, there's probably one somewhere, for sure, probably.
Did you ever stand next to Dustin ? He was neither 6’6 or 220 lbs. but I agree with your point.
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I've stood next to him and he's right around 6'6" and he's most definitely 220. He was absolutely jacked.
Perhaps one can't "teach" a guy to Hogue's level of rebounding, but one can certainly "teach up" players beyond the rebounding skills that ISU shows. It does take a couple of things:
1) Somebody who knows rebounding in order to teach it
2) Players who are willing to do the dirty work
The rebounding problem was apparent 4 years ago and Prohm didn't make a staff adjustment to address it. It's eating him alive now.
Rebounding is not just an individual thing. There is a team aspect to it as well...covering vulnerable areas when somebody gets out of position, letting players with their backs to the shooter know that a shot has gone up, etc. From what I see, ISU doesn't really do any of this.
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I've stood next to him and he's right around 6'6" and he's most definitely 220. He was absolutely jacked.
Agree to disagree but it’s not a biggie. My point is he was tenacious on the glass from day 1 most likely as a product of his effort and drive to win.
Yeah I wasn't trying to say that it'd be impossible for a guy to be like Hogue, more that Hogue's numbers are incredibly tough to replicate at his size and stature. The fact of the matter is that Prohm has had an incredibly tough time finding guys that want to do the little things it takes to be a good defensive team as well as a good rebounding team. That, and Prohm is a terrible defensive coach and his assistants honestly aren't helping at all either.
I met Dustin the day he committed to ISU at Fred’s tailgate. I wasn’t impressed by his stature. Nice kid though. But I was seriously having doubts about whether he could play. I worry every day about thinking that because if you insult Dustin Hogue in a dream you better wake up and apologize.
He’s tied for 4th in the league with McBride in assists, so he does rank fairly highly in distributing. On defense his on ball defense is average to below average, but he is good at getting steals as he is tied with McBride and Harkless at 1.8 steals a game. Overall I think that puts him slightly below average as a defender.
I’m guessing because a lot of guys they reached out to said no, and they learned their lesson with Hans and Beverly.
CycloneErik
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That's a deceiving stat. Bolton is definitely not some high-level distributor. He just has more opportunities by dominating the ball-handling.
He gives a great effort in turnovers too!
Can you explain to me how assists per game is a deceiving stat when describing a teams main ball handler? McBride, Nebhard, or McClung seem to be a good comparisons to Rasir. All four are the main ball handlers and considered ball dominant guards. RJ average the most FGA while Mac and Rasir are tied with Miles averaging the fewest. Miles and Rasir average the most assists. For turnovers it goes RJ, Rasir, Mac, then Miles from most to least.
Saying Rasir doesn’t rank very high at distributing is something that just isn’t supported by stats
Put them in full pads. Put a bubble lid in the hoop. Have them go full gladiator in rebounding drills. Or just have simple boxout competitions throughout practice.
Stats don’t lie, people can misinterpret them or they can lack context. You can provide enough stats to provide context which is what I believe I did. If you can tell me how the ones I provided need more context, I will gladly take the feedback