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BooneCy said:
I don't understand the mentality on this board that if you have a good corner, you move him to safety. This kid won the starting spot at corner his freshman year. Just because he can hit you move him to safety? We need our best cover guys at corner. LJ needs to stay where he's at.
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Agreed. Let's stop this talk about LJ moving to safety. Hopefully he will be back at ISU next year

jj-cyclones said:
I don't see why people want to move of best player on d to the saftey spot! Seems dumb to me, I would much rather see Banks move to saftey before LJ...both are 5' 10'' but Banks is 193 and LJ is 179...I'm guessing LJ is going to put on more weight this offseason but still I would rather but a bigger Banks back there...
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I would move Banks to safety as well. He doesn't cover very well but he can hit and has the look of a safety

jj-cyclones said:
Tim Dobbins was just as slow as Jesse Smith is but since we are playing a different defensive now Jesse is forced to try and cover the TE and sometimes WR...I just think we need a better cover LB and I'm sure the staff is going after them and Jesse is the best we have right now...

I agree with most everything you said but just wanted to point out that it seemed like when we did blitz our guys were right up on the line of scrimmage (showing blitz) or it was a delayed blitz (which i hate) and our guys were usually to slow to make a difference in the backfield or they would be out of control and run right past the QB (say that a million times this year)
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Huh? Incorrect
 
Clones85' said:
Agreed. Let's stop this talk about LJ moving to safety. Hopefully he will be back at ISU next year
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Can someone fill me in on this comment? I have seen it a couple times, but don't have the details. Why wouldn't LJ be back at ISU next year?
 
jj-cyclones said:
Tim Dobbins was just as slow as Jesse Smith is ...
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Huh? :confused: Dobbins was one of the fastest middle linebackers in the draft. Something like a 4.6 forty. He was drafted so high because of his combine numbers, not performance--and with a couple years of coaching, is doing well.
 
I see. Sorry I asked.

Why stop there.

I am really excited for Williams, Robinson, and Schwartz next year, if they are at ISU next season.:jimlad:
 
We'll all be singing the praises of whomever we have at DB next year if this team develops ANY semblance of a pass rush.

Also, has anyone heard anything about how Dustin Land has been progressing this year at safety?
 
Aclone said:
Huh? :confused: Dobbins was one of the fastest middle linebackers in the draft. Something like a 4.6 forty. He was drafted so high because of his combine numbers, not performance--and with a couple years of coaching, is doing well.
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Dobbins did run a 4.61 in the draft so I guess I should eat my words about him being just as slow as Jesse Smith...But Dobbins was not forced to cover as much as Jesse so maybe its not a fair comparison...

I can't find a 40 time for Jesse anywhere.
 
Aclone said:
Well, to me it makes no sense to weaken one position to strengthen another. Like the people who suggest that Chris Lyle put on fifteen pounds to play strongside end. Aside from the issues of Lyle's "best" position, we would just be getting a three deep at rush end with Parker, Lyle and Maggitt, a nice mix of experience and youth, and we'd be destroying that to cover a different spot.

Or the people who say that James Carpenter doesn't matter, that we have "plenty" of talent to cover left tackle. We don't, switching someone from elsewhere just weakens those positions. Oh sure, we can probably "get by", but I'd really rather that Cyclone football were in a position where we weren't merely "getting by" any longer.

If a position is a strength, I'd rather have it remain a strength, rather than weakening it to cover another.

Besides which, both Banks and Bell will be seniors, so we'll need all of the experience at corner in '10 that we can get. :wink:


Can't argue with that.:no:


The advantage being that Butler will be here for Spring ball.

And "relying on newcomers" worked for cornerback last fall, even though signing Banks late was something of a fortuitous accident.
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Good points. I think if any D end gets moved over to the strong side it would be Rashawn Parker, as Lyle appeared to be the better pass rusher of the two this season. The situation reminds me of a few years back when Tyson Smith and Beau Coleman were both returning at Rush-End, and we moved Coleman over to strongside End to get our two best D-Ends on the field.

Of course, hopefully one of the redshirts or newcomers will be one of our best two ends.
 
jj-cyclones said:
Tim Dobbins was just as slow as Jesse Smith is but since we are playing a different defensive now Jesse is forced to try and cover the TE and sometimes WR...I just think we need a better cover LB and I'm sure the staff is going after them and Jesse is the best we have right now...

I agree with most everything you said but just wanted to point out that it seemed like when we did blitz our guys were right up on the line of scrimmage (showing blitz) or it was a delayed blitz (which i hate) and our guys were usually to slow to make a difference in the backfield or they would be out of control and run right past the QB (say that a million times this year)
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What? Dobbins was the fastest MLB we had recently, and is faster than a good portion of our OLB's, even at 245 lbs with huge guns. Dobbins was a stud, thats why he is starting in the NFL now.
 
jj-cyclones said:
Dobbins did run a 4.61 in the draft so I guess I should eat my words about him being just as slow as Jesse Smith...But Dobbins was not forced to cover as much as Jesse so maybe its not a fair comparison...

I can't find a 40 time for Jesse anywhere.
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Nah, Dobbins covered pretty much the same position Smith did, we just had a better pass rush, better coverage around him, and he covered much better than Smith, so you didn't notice him as much.... except against Colorado, making an amazing one-armed interception and return as a Jr and picking a pass off at the goal line to stop a drive as a Sr.

Man I miss Dobbins. Wish we could dig up another stud Juco MLB like him.
 
CloneIce said:
What? Dobbins was the fastest MLB we had recently, and is faster than a good portion of our OLB's, even at 245 lbs with huge guns. Dobbins was a stud, thats why he is starting in the NFL now.
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I know, read behind a few posts, i ate my words...

CloneIce said:
Nah, Dobbins covered pretty much the same position Smith did, we just had a better pass rush, better coverage around him, and he covered much better than Smith, so you didn't notice him as much.... except against Colorado, making an amazing one-armed interception and return as a Jr and picking a pass off at the goal line to stop a drive as a Sr.

Man I miss Dobbins. Wish we could dig up another stud Juco MLB like him.
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That could be it to...I won't argue Dobbins being better than Jesse Smith...
 
If Sandvig can put some weight on and still run he could be a slightly slower more physical version of Nick Moser.
 
Bigguns said:
If Sandvig can put some weight on and still run he could be a much slower, shorter, less physical version of Nick Moser.
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There. Fixed that for ya. May as well be accurate.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandvig is at UNI next fall. Both of them.
 
Aclone said:
There. Fixed that for ya. May as well be accurate.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandvig is at UNI next fall. Both of them.
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Much less physical? I disagree with that, Moser was soft. He could run, and find the ball, was a good tackler on angles and side shots. He was poor near the LOS and filling gaps. All that being said he would be much better than anyone we have right now, his speed would allow us to blitz more. He also created a lot of turnovers.
 
Or we could just play four wide receivers on defense and hope to intercept some balls.
 
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