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Young's Hit
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The rule is way too punitive. Its ridiculous to kick a guy out of the game unless he is purposely head-hunting like Vontaze Burfict
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This is where things get into fuzzy interpretation. A running back plowing in to the line pf scrimmage gets boinked by multiple defense players, some helmet to helmet. No penalty.
A receiver becomes a runner, does the helmet to helmet contact rule continue to remain in force? I can't figure that one out.
Still beyond a dumb ejection. The first one was justifiable as targeting. Young’s was not.
The rule is too punitive, and shouldn't be automatic, but they do that so that they can wash their hands of controversy, Discretion on a play by play basis should be allowed. He led with his shoulder, and the contact was not with the crown of the helmet.
Targeting is intended to protect “defenseless” players.
I suspect it may be arguable whether or not an offensive player who has the chance to lower his head into an opponent in order to protect himself is “defenseless”.
I suspect it may be arguable whether or not an offensive player who has the chance to lower his head into an opponent in order to protect himself is “defenseless”.
Ya gotta disagree. Young turned his body so that his shoulder would hit. What is he supposed to do let him score a touchdown? They are both going full speed. Head to head contact was incidental.
I'd like to see football take the basketball approach to the flagrant 1 and flagrant 2. Seems to me now, that the rule has no nuance and there should be more levels of severity, not just a yes or no verdict.
The rule is still there to protect the offensive player who was defenseless. I can't find a replay anywhere, but from what I can recall, Young did make contact with his shoulder first, but he also lowered his head which is what the rule is trying to stop.
I 100% agree that in the full speed of a game this is easier said than done, and that there was zero intent by Young, but I think the rule was correctly interpreted. That being said, I was surprised the targeting a few plays before was waived off, which just proves the subjectivity of this rule is a mess and needs to be fixed, especially with a rule that has the consequences of this one.
I think Horne’s the play before was because it wasn’t with the crown of the helmet.
the wr wasn’t defenseless though. He caught the ball, turned, took multiple steps then lowered his head to where young was dropping his head to shield the blow.
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This, If they really want to limit helmet to helmet collisions, offensive players need to have the same rules. If an offensive players lowers their head in to a collision, they get the same penalty. Virtually impossible for a defensive player to avoid that hit in real time without just not tackling.
This would solve so many problems is a great idea. Young MAYBE should of gotten ejected (based solely on how they seem to be policing the game, right or wrong). However, there’s not fair world where the kid can’t play half of the next game based on a football hit like that.
I said this in the game thread at the time, but I’m fine with the call. I’m fine with the ejection rule. But they’ve REALLY got to get rid of the ridiculous penalty of the carryover into the next game. It’s such a stupid and pointless rule and has such a drastic effect on a game that it shouldn’t. MAYBE you can implement it in a way like for repeat offenders, kind of like the NBA does with flagrant fouls.
Yes I agree that that needs to be fixed. What bothers me is that if the penalty occurs one second into the second half, or with just one second left in the second half, it carries over into the first half of the next game. They're definitely needed to be some latitude there.
How was Young supposed to tackle on that play?
The only way to make the tackle without doing what he did would be to go for the ball carrier's knees. Is that any more safe?
The only way to make the tackle without doing what he did would be to go for the ball carrier's knees. Is that any more safe?