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Statefan10 said:
Oh no doubt about it. I'm not saying that the players want Kirk fired, I can totally understand why most don't! They don't see Kirk as the problem because for almost all of them, Kirk wasn't the one that had negative actions towards the players. I think almost all of us understand that, but at the same time, it's the university's job to find out why these sorts of behaviors were going unchecked for some of these coaches, including Kirk's flesh and blood. Brian was pointed out as the other problem along with Doyle in many of these accusations and yet Brian is not put on leave.. We all know why, none of us are stupid, but it's stuff like that that shows the incompetence within the Iowa Football program as well as the athletic department.
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Akrum Wadley said Brian is a problem because Brian asked Akrum if he was going to rob a liquor store when he was wearing a mask. Is that racist or is that something he would have said to anyone wearing a mask? You are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. Legend already pointed out that Matt Hankins thought he was singled out for spitting because he is black. Tyler Kluver said he got the same treatment from Doyle even though he is white. These are things that aren't necessarily racist but these statements and actions definitely show a lack of awareness.
 
theguru1 said:
The point is that you won’t accept the truth cause it does not fit your narrative. Many of the players that have made accusations have already come out and defended Kirk. Why do you refuse to believe everything they are saying? Oh never mind it doesn’t fit your narrative.
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The narrative is that under Kirk, Iowa's program has greatly suffered from institutional racism. Who's fault is that then? Who is to blame for that? Dr. Tom Davis?
 
Statefan10 said:
Being ignorant towards racism can be seen as racism, especially when those being ridiculed are minorities. What you are currently doing is trying to justify Coach Doyle for being a jerk. You don't fire the highest paid S&E coach for being a jerk. There have been white players that have literally come out and said they've seen the differences in treatment between white and minority players.
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You're kidding right? Accusations like the ones we are seeing don't go away even if they are proven to be baseless. Doyle has denied any wrongdoing and even if that's true he is damaged goods. There was absolutely no path forward for Iowa with him on the staff.
 
Gitwitit said:
Akrum Wadley said Brian is a problem because Brian asked Akrum if he was going to rob a liquor store when he was wearing a mask. Is that racist or is that something he would have said to anyone wearing a mask? You are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. Legend already pointed out that Matt Hankins thought he was singled out for spitting because he is black. Tyler Kluver said he got the same treatment from Doyle even though he is white. These are things that aren't necessarily racist but these statements and actions definitely show a lack of awareness.
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Not sure you want Tyler Kluver to be your source here
 
Gitwitit said:
Akrum Wadley said Brian is a problem because Brian asked Akrum if he was going to rob a liquor store when he was wearing a mask. Is that racist or is that something he would have said to anyone wearing a mask? You are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. Legend already pointed out that Matt Hankins thought he was singled out for spitting because he is black. Tyler Kluver said he got the same treatment from Doyle even though he is white. These are things that aren't necessarily racist but these statements and actions definitely show a lack of awareness.
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Okay so what's your point here? Doyle and Brian were both called out for their behaviors, ONE of them got asked to leave the program and the other is likely not going to have any punishment whatsoever. And that wasn't the only accusation against Brian either.

Also, you still have yet to acknowledge the overall issue here, which is accountability. Who was holding these guys accountable?
 
Statefan10 said:
Oh no doubt about it. I'm not saying that the players want Kirk fired, I can totally understand why most don't! They don't see Kirk as the problem because for almost all of them, Kirk wasn't the one that had negative actions towards the players. I think almost all of us understand that, but at the same time, it's the university's job to find out why these sorts of behaviors were going unchecked for some of these coaches, including Kirk's flesh and blood. Brian was pointed out as the other problem along with Doyle in many of these accusations and yet Brian is not put on leave.. We all know why, none of us are stupid, but it's stuff like that that shows the incompetence within the Iowa Football program as well as the athletic department.
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It shows racial insensitivity, Not incompetence. The vast majority of minority players that are making accusation this is what they are saying. They are also saying that it isn’t an issue with Kirk. Are you trying to say they don’t understand Kirks position and roll in this? I think they perfectly understand way better than you could ever understand it and they don’t want Kirk fired.
 
jmb said:
Two questions:
1-You really believe this?
2-Will you believe the report findings?
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I will believe the report findings cause it will be the closest to the truth that we will get. I doubt that a lot of the posters on ISR forums will though.
 
Statefan10 said:
Okay so what's your point here? Doyle and Brian were both called out for their behaviors, ONE of them got asked to leave the program and the other is likely not going to have any punishment whatsoever. And that wasn't the only accusation against Brian either.

Also, you still have yet to acknowledge the overall issue here, which is accountability. Who was holding these guys accountable?
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Didn't Kirk come out and say he was to blame for the racism issues within the program?
 
Legend Hawk said:
It shows racial insensitivity, Not incompetence. The vast majority of minority players that are making accusation this is what they are saying. They are also saying that it isn’t an issue with Kirk. Are you trying to say they don’t understand Kirks position and roll in this? I think they perfectly understand way better than you could ever understand it and they don’t want Kirk fired.
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Multiple former athletes have come out and said Kirk is at fault
 
Gitwitit said:
You're kidding right? Accusations like the ones we are seeing don't go away even if they are proven to be baseless. Doyle has denied any wrongdoing and even if that's true he is damaged goods. There was absolutely no path forward for Iowa with him on the staff.
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You think 60+ players coming forward are baseless? Even if half are true, it's grounds for termination. Even if half are true, it proves incompetence of the head coach and administration.
 
Legend Hawk said:
It shows racial insensitivity, Not incompetence. The vast majority of minority players that are making accusation this is what they are saying. They are also saying that it isn’t an issue with Kirk. Are you trying to say they don’t understand Kirks position and roll in this? I think they perfectly understand way better than you could ever understand it and they don’t want Kirk fired.
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The lack of accountability towards coaches that use racially insensitive language, dangerous workout procedures, demeaning comments towards a player with a learning disability, are very clear examples of incompetence.

Incompetence: not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully.
 
Legend Hawk said:
The players said the culture in the weight room needed to change. The vast majority said that there were racial inequities with Doyle and that needed to change.

Heck Kirk flat out asked the majority of them calling for change if he was the issue and they said no. The fact is you don’t know more than those players do. If the majority of them felt Kirk was the problem he would be gone right now along with Doyle.[/QUOTE]

Come on, players aren't idiots and can see what fans' reactions to players calling out even Doyle has been, and it's clear Iowa, the fans and state media are all in on the narrative that Kirk isn't going anywhere. You honestly think any current players are just going to come out and say, "Yes, I think you are the problem and need to be fired."

And please stop with this false narrative that players making accusations overwhelmingly support Kirk. Simply false.

A couple called for cleaning house, a majority have stayed silent. Then there are a few that have said Kirk needs to change the culture, and when asked say that they think he's capable of doing it. I'm sure there are a couple that made accusations that also think Kirk is THE right guy to lead this change, but I haven't seen any statements that strong. But I'm open to change my mind if there are some quotes from former players making accusations also stating that they believe that Kirk is definitively the guy to lead this change. Not that he's capable. Not that he should not necessarily be fired. But that he is the guy that should be in charge.

This has been all so predictable. Quickly spin the narrative to "Doyle is the problem" to enable the scapegoat. Kirk can then "take responsibility" with the "I knew nothing and did nothing wrong, and should not be punished, but as the leader of the program this is my responsibility" ********. Same playbook in the Everson/Satterfield case. "I'm not perfect, and I make mistakes. But how dare people question my character. I didn't do anything wrong, don't deserve any punishment, but as the leader of the program it's my responsibility."

Kirk has written the playbook for avoiding serious personal consequences for your actions while having all the morons in this state believe you are actually taking responsibility for your actions.
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Statefan10 said:
Something along those lines, yes.
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Kirk isn’t shying away from his roll in this, he understand where he sits. That is why he asked all those former and current players if he is the issue and can he lead this program out of this. The vast majority said he could lead, and he isn’t the issue.
 
Statefan10 said:
The lack of accountability towards coaches that use racially insensitive language, dangerous workout procedures, demeaning comments towards a player with a learning disability, are very clear examples of incompetence.

Incompetence: not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully.
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So if the former players who are involved with what's currently happening, as well as the current players and the recruits who've stayed committed and continue to verbal are all satisfied and happy with how things are moving forward within the program, is that enough for you?
 
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