Iowa Football Recruiting

[Legend Hawk]

Being ignorant towards racism can be seen as racism, especially when those being ridiculed are minorities. What you are currently doing is trying to justify Coach Doyle for being a jerk. You don't fire the highest paid S&E coach for being a jerk. There have been white players that have literally come out and said they've seen the differences in treatment between white and minority players.

Lots of time players only have a limited point of reference. For example Matt Hankins said that Doyle ripped him up and down for spitting. Hankins said this was because he was black, he had never seen him do this to a white player. Tyler Kluver tweeted at him that years earlier he was ripped by Doyle and kicked out of practice for spitting, and then spent the next year in Doyle’s doghouse. Hankins wasn’t around when they happened to Kluver so he assumed it was because he was black, but Doyle had done the same to a white player years before he did it to Hankins.

While I have no doubt Doyle did many of the things these players said, I don’t think every one of them was racially motivated. There were enough incidents with Doyle though that were obviously racially motivated so he had to go. He made too many disparaging references and frankly Doyle probably held the Iowa program back in many ways over the last 15 years because of his racial insensitivity and bias.

 

[Statefan10]

What accusation? I’m not saying there’s racism on the campus. What I’m saying is it can be a culture shock for a black athlete to go to an Iowa university which is majority white. That could cause a person to feel out of place and that they don’t feel like they belong. I’m in no way even comparing this to Iowa who perpetuated systemic racism for 20+ years.

What you said is actually true. There are a lot of African American athletes that come to Iowa State and sometimes feel like they don't belong. Ames is a small town in Iowa and the University itself has a lot of white students. There is a culture shock and it can be uncomfortable.

Do you know where these athletes find their comfort usually? Within their team. Imagine going to a school where you not only don't feel fully comfortable on campus and in the community, but you can't even feel comfortable in the confines of the team that you play for.

 

[Statefan10]

Lots of time players only have a limited point of reference. For example Matt Hankins said that Doyle ripped him up and down for spitting. Hankins said this was because he was black, he had never seen him do this to a white player. Tyler Kluver tweeted at him that years earlier he was ripped by Doyle and kicked out of practice for spitting, and then spent the next year in Doyle’s doghouse. Hankins wasn’t around when they happened to Kluver so he assumed it was because he was black, but Doyle had done the same to a white player years before he did it to Hankins.

While I have no doubt Doyle did many of the things these players said, I don’t think every one of them was racially motivated. There were enough incidents with Doyle though that were obviously racially motivated so he had to go. He made too many disparaging references and frankly Doyle probably held the Iowa program back in many ways over the last 15 years because of his racial insensitivity and bias.

Wait wait wait.. About 3 weeks ago Doyle was propped up as the reason Iowa has gotten so good.. What happened?

 

[mitchforcy]

What you said is actually true. There are a lot of African American athletes that come to Iowa State and sometimes feel like they don't belong. Ames is a small town in Iowa and the University itself has a lot of white students. There is a culture shock and it can be uncomfortable.

Do you know where these athletes find their comfort usually? Within their team. Imagine going to a school where you not only don't feel fully comfortable on campus and in the community, but you can't even feel comfortable in the confines of the team that you play for.

Exactly. What I’m referring to had nothing to do with ISU athletics but a commentary on Iowa campuses in general. I’m in no way saying the athletic staffs are making the players feel uncomfortable being at ISU. Maybe this wasn’t that right thread for that.

 

[Legend Hawk]

Wait wait wait.. About 3 weeks ago Doyle was propped up as the reason Iowa has gotten so good.. What happened?

Obviously we were not privy to all that was going on with Doyle. In hindsight it is pretty easy to see now that he held Iowa back in many ways. He also did very well in many ways, so maybe it is a wash, but I could see that if Doyle was more inclusive he would have had even greater success.

 

[Statefan10]

Exactly. What I’m referring to had nothing to do with ISU athletics but a commentary on Iowa campuses in general. I’m in no way saying the athletic staffs are making the players feel uncomfortable being at ISU. Maybe this wasn’t that right thread for that.

Yeah I know first hand from talking to some minorities while at Iowa State (graduated in 2018), that it took time to feel comfortable but they loved their experience. They were welcomed with open arms and never felt like they had to change who they were to fit in. But peoples experiences are different. I'm sure there were those who could never feel comfortable, or had bad experiences with those who were not welcoming, and that's very sad to hear. Saying it doesn't happen at Iowa State would be wrong though because I know it does.

 

[Stewo]

Wait wait wait.. About 3 weeks ago Doyle was propped up as the reason Iowa has gotten so good.. What happened?

Sacrificial lamb. The U of I plan is going as planned so far.

 

[Statefan10]

Obviously we were not privy to all that was going on with Doyle. In hindsight it is pretty easy to see now that he held Iowa back in many ways. He also did very well in many ways, so maybe it is a wash, but I could see that if Doyle was more inclusive he would have had even greater success.

Hmm. I wonder why. I wonder who is in charge of, you know, keeping their employees under control, watching their behaviors and holding people accountable? Man, if only Iowa had a responsible and ethical person at the head of the table.

 

[CyTwins]

Obviously we were not privy to all that was going on with Doyle. In hindsight it is pretty easy to see now that he held Iowa back in many ways. He also did very well in many ways, so maybe it is a wash, but I could see that if Doyle was more inclusive he would have had even greater success.

I wasn't and am not a Doyle fan but they're not going to find anyone better than him. They're not going to pluck a good S&C coach right now

 

[Legend Hawk]

Hmm. I wonder why. I wonder who is in charge of, you know, keeping their employees under control, watching their behaviors and holding people accountable? Man, if only Iowa had a responsible and ethical person at the head of the table.

I’ll trust the vast majority of players that Doyle was the problem, not Kirk.

 

[Statefan10]

I’ll trust the vast majority of players that Doyle was the problem, not Kirk.

No, most players stated that Kirk needs to do something about the culture he has. That is exerting blame on Kirk. Not wanting Kirk to be fired doesn't mean they don't blame him.

 

[cyclone4L]

Iowa is going after much bigger targets than Moore at TE.

You talkin’ bout Trigg? Yea sure. And we went after Trevor Lawrence.

That Helm guy is not a Hok lean either.

 

[Legend Hawk]

No, most players stated that Kirk needs to do something about the culture he has. That is exerting blame on Kirk. Not wanting Kirk to be fired doesn't mean they don't blame him.

The players said the culture in the weight room needed to change. The vast majority said that there were racial inequities with Doyle and that needed to change.

Heck Kirk flat out asked the majority of them calling for change if he was the issue and they said no. The fact is you don’t know more than those players do. If the majority of them felt Kirk was the problem he would be gone right now along with Doyle.

 

[Legend Hawk]

You talkin’ bout Trigg? Yea sure. And we went after Trevor Lawrence.

That Helm guy is not a Hok lean either.

Helm is gonna drive to Iowa City to check out the campus in the next couple weeks. He has offers from everyone, and he just got an Iowa offer and says Iowa is already in his top 5. Sounds like Iowa has no shot at all here.

 

[cyclone4L]

I'll leave this here

Hok has no honor.
If their fan base really knew how things are run there, they wouldn’t be fans.

 

[cyclone4L]

Helm is gonna drive to Iowa City to check out the campus in the next couple weeks. He has offers from everyone, and he just got an Iowa offer and says Iowa is already in his top 5. Sounds like Iowa has no shot at all here.

He can only wear one jersey on gameday. It likely won’t be Hok.

 

[Legend Hawk]

He can only wear one jersey on gameday. It likely won’t be Hok.

Tough to beat Bama and his offer list, I’ll agree with you there.

 

[TheJackWePack5]

You talkin’ bout Trigg? Yea sure. And we went after Trevor Lawrence.

That Helm guy is not a Hok lean either.

Actually it kind of seems like he might be.

 

[Statefan10]

The players said the culture in the weight room needed to change. The vast majority said that there were racial inequities with Doyle and that needed to change.

Heck Kirk flat out asked the majority of them calling for change if he was the issue and they said no. The fact is you don’t know more than those players do. If the majority of them felt Kirk was the problem he would be gone right now along with Doyle.

Oh no doubt about it. I'm not saying that the players want Kirk fired, I can totally understand why most don't! They don't see Kirk as the problem because for almost all of them, Kirk wasn't the one that had negative actions towards the players. I think almost all of us understand that, but at the same time, it's the university's job to find out why these sorts of behaviors were going unchecked for some of these coaches, including Kirk's flesh and blood. Brian was pointed out as the other problem along with Doyle in many of these accusations and yet Brian is not put on leave.. We all know why, none of us are stupid, but it's stuff like that that shows the incompetence within the Iowa Football program as well as the athletic department.

 

[theguru1]

You're literally not making any points. You realize that, don't you?

The point is that you won’t accept the truth cause it does not fit your narrative. Many of the players that have made accusations have already come out and defended Kirk. Why do you refuse to believe everything they are saying? Oh never mind it doesn’t fit your narrative.