Kirk Ferentz getting sued for being racist

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I looked him up, Doyle is only 51 so not really retirement age yet. He is the highest paid S&C coach in U.S. and has been there 21 years so he might be able to afford to retire though.

He will have a job before the season starts. And within 5 years he will be back at a power 5 school. Sad but true.
 
Nah, **** it. Hit systemic racism where it hurts - their public image and their wallet. That statue can be replaced, but a huge part of these players’ identities and self-esteem was stolen.

I would say the same thing if it were happening here. The VEISHEA riots were stupid AF, they had no point. But if we find out that we are currently targeting and marginalizing an ethnic or racial group, and someone defaces the Campanile in protest? Shine a light, man.
I just think if it wasnt Nile. Like if it was Hayden or something OK.

I can understand your point too.
 
Respect what you are saying but to me two wrongs don't make a right. Nile put his life on the line more than we will ever understand so we can have these discussions. Just my two cents. However Id hope they can clean the statue off and then maybe I can see what you are saying. At least makes people pause and realize this **** is real and to own up to it, listen, and be better with action.
It's just a statue. It's not like they defaced his grave. We put far too much value into material things. They weren't attacking Nile, they were attacking the football program. I respect your opinion and agree that veterans deserve respect but I hardly believe that it was directed at him.
 
If in forty years of football, a P5 team has started only one black quarterback for more that one game, that sure in the hell says something isn't quite right.

I can think of two at K-St right off hand - Micheal Bishop and Ell Roberson. Don't follow the Big 10 much, but I believe Purdue has had a black starter within the past five years.

With all the talent in black qb's over the past 4 decades, it says something about your school if you've only had one. There's something going on when every other school has started multiple black quarterbacks and you've lagged behind.

It's not dumb, it's a data point.

Really dumb take, but for the record Iowa's had three.
 
I just think if it wasnt Nile. Like if it was Hayden or something OK.

I can understand your point too.

I get it, I am on a board that supports community arts - it does cost money and time to remove spray paint, but it can be done. But that image is now in the public eye With the KKK epithet.

Anyone else remember when they drew a wang on the Cy statue at Brookside? The city got that off. (No pun intended.)
 
It's just a statue. It's not like they defaced his grave. We put far too much value into material things. They weren't attacking Nile, they were attacking the football program. I respect your opinion and agree that veterans deserve respect but I hardly believe that it was directed at him.

Sadly, I agree. Those kids probably had no clue he was military.
 
Respect what you are saying but to me two wrongs don't make a right. Nile put his life on the line more than we will ever understand so we can have these discussions. Just my two cents. However Id hope they can clean the statue off and then maybe I can see what you are saying. At least makes people pause and realize this **** is real and to own up to it, listen, and be better with action.
I understand the risk and have no problem w it.
 
It's just a statue. It's not like they defaced his grave. We put far too much value into material things. They weren't attacking Nile, they were attacking the football program. I respect your opinion and agree that veterans deserve respect but I hardly believe that it was directed at him.

Good point. Definitely can see both sides here. I just feel like its a slippery slope to justify vandalizing some things but not others.
 
Sadly, I agree. Those kids probably had no clue he was military.
As one that served it is getting a bit tiresome deifying veterans. Those that died not because they wanted to be held as something they are not. Radical dissent is a part of who we are. It is odd as white folk we are telling black folk how to communicate there pain, anger, and rage. “Hey boy keep your voice and action to that which I white person am comfortable with.” Chicken ****.
 
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It's just a statue. It's not like they defaced his grave. We put far too much value into material things. They weren't attacking Nile, they were attacking the football program. I respect your opinion and agree that veterans deserve respect but I hardly believe that it was directed at him.
I get it but Nile's grave is the bottom of the ocean, that's why I think it was just too much.
Everyone has their own opinion I just think that one could have been left alone.
 
Respect what you are saying but to me two wrongs don't make a right. Nile put his life on the line more than we will ever understand so we can have these discussions. Just my two cents. However Id hope they can clean the statue off and then maybe I can see what you are saying. At least makes people pause and realize this **** is real and to own up to it, listen, and be better with action.

America was also built on the backs of riots and protests. The American Revolution, for starters. Every big change in our society, every move forward, has involved protests and riots. The destruction of property isn’t ideal, and the target is unfortunate for sure, but taxpayers and students helped build the university and pay for it - and they are telling the caretakers that this is not okay. The graffitos will pay their taxes or whatever to help clean it up, and they are fine with that pretty clearly in order to say something that desperately needs said. Putting a flagrant racist on paid leave while doing an “internal investigation” is not enough. It isn’t enough at a university, it isn’t enough in a police station, it isn’t enough in an office building.

Again - spray paint on a bronze statue is a pretty easy fix. Tearing down a society based off of hate is tougher - and requires revolution.
 
Nah, **** it. Hit systemic racism where it hurts - their public image and their wallet. That statue can be replaced, but a huge part of these players’ identities and self-esteem was stolen.

I would say the same thing if it were happening here. The VEISHEA riots were stupid AF, they had no point. But if we find out that we are currently targeting and marginalizing an ethnic or racial group, and someone defaces the Campanile in protest? Shine a light, man.
The problem, from my view, is that these people were trying to be ********. Defacing the statue of a man that, by all accounts, was a good man and that lost his life in service to his country makes no sense.
 
The problem, from my view, is that these people were trying to be ********. Defacing the statue of a man that, by all accounts, was a good man and that lost his life in service to his country makes no sense.

Dude, students at ISU have actually hung on, beaten, and ruined $35k statues near the Campustown intermodal parking facility for no reason. Spray painting (which is easily removed) to denounce racism and the KKK actually has a purpose.

Kinnick’s service is not in question here. I doubt the graffitos probably knew about it. What they see is the name on the building that has perpetuated racism and they are willing to tear down that symbol to start fresh. It sucks because a lot of symbols have worthy backgrounds, but a lot also don’t.
 
Respect what you are saying but to me two wrongs don't make a right. Nile put his life on the line more than we will ever understand so we can have these discussions. Just my two cents. However Id hope they can clean the statue off and then maybe I can see what you are saying. At least makes people pause and realize this **** is real and to own up to it, listen, and be better with action.

and there were plenty of black men that put there lives on the line in the same war. But when they came back to America they did not get access to the same freedoms as white men that served.
 
The problem, from my view, is that these people were trying to be ********. Defacing the statue of a man that, by all accounts, was a good man and that lost his life in service to his country makes no sense.
Kinnick stadium is the structural embodiment of the Iowa football program. The vandalism has less to do with Nile Kinnick the man and what he represents, than it does with what the statue represents on a superficial level, which is Iowa football. Not saying I like seeing it defaced, but I doubt his military career even entered the minds of the folks who did it.
 
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