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CyTwins said:
Iowa State played a much more difficult schedule than Iowa last year. The Big 12 and SEC were significantly better than the Big Ten. If you want to say the Big Ten was more top heavy but you're given a bunch of free wins where you can basically rest your team and pad your stats I'll agree with you
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The majority of BCS bowl SOS metrics say Iowa's SOS was tougher.
 
CyTwins said:
Yes Minnesota was the 10th best team in CFB last year. They're a fake ID and it won't be sustainable. They caught every break possible and played a joke of schedule but they won and that's all that really matters. I don't think Iowa fans look back at 2015 and think about the national disrespect they were getting all year and instead look back at the 12-2 season
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Minnesota beat 2 top 20 teams. If you wanna talk fake ID's that title goes to Baylor last year. They literally played 1 top 10 team, 1 top 25 team in the regular season. At least Minnesota had to play 3 top 15 teams in the regular season.
 
Legend Hawk said:
The majority of BCS bowl SOS metrics say Iowa's SOS was tougher.
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I’m just looking for him to be consistent in his argument. He keeps using AP to determine which teams are better, but then calls AP ranked teams fake. I can’t understand the logic. Meanwhile, he devotes himself to Sagarin, except when it comes to predicting hypothetical matchups.

He’s all over the place. Kind of worried about him actually.
 
theiacowtipper said:
Wouldn’t Sagarin be a much better ranking, since their schedule ranking is so much better after all? I mean, let’s say, hypothetically, if a team played the 5th hardest schedule compared to another team that played the 19th hardest schedule and were ranked 7 spots higher in the final rankings, wouldn’t they be more correctly judged the better team? Again, hypothetically. After all, sometimes the AP rankings are fake. You said so yourself.

Wouldn’t the Sagarin ratings be a better judge of relative team strength, since you admit they’re pretty much infallible, at least to schedule strength.
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I use Sagarin for conference and schedule strength
 
Legend Hawk said:
It might have been a long rant, but it was a spot on rant.

If I'm being honest, ISU fans have lots to be happy about with CMC and the football program. He has for sure brought in better players and can compete now with every team on the schedule. That is a huge improvement, and I think that leads to ISU being a bowl team nearly every year now. That is a great step up for ISU and I do understand why ISU fans are excited about CMC and it's football program.

I do like where Iowa sits as well though. KF has really managed to up his game the last 5 years. 3 top 25 finishes, 3 years with 9+ wins, and the other two years were still 8 win years. They really have to get over the Wisconsin hump though. If Iowa could have beaten Wisconsin 3 time over the last 5 years, that would have been 3 Big10 title game appearances instead of just 1. I know Wisconsin is great, and has been great, but we just gotta find a way to get it done against them, they really have our number.
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I used to be one of those ISU fans making excuses every year for why we didn't do better, or why we lost to Iowa again, etc..... but it just got tiring, old, and lame.

Look at last year's ISU v. Iowa game for example. Initially I was like.... well ISU looked like the better team, won the game statistically, blah, blah, blah..... but you know what.... you didn't win the damn game, so none of that matters.

Like the saying goes.... you are what your record says you are. It's so true. Yeah, maybe we should have beaten Iowa last year, but guess what... we also should have lost to UNI. It all evens out, and in the end you are what your record says you are. If you want bragging rights over Iowa.... it's simple.... beat them for once. Iowa did what they had to do to win last year... that's just a mark of a good team. ISU needs to learn how to do that.

And the SOS argument is total BS. So tired of hearing it. What ISU faces each and every year is not much different at all than what Iowa does. I do think Iowa gets a bit lucky some years in not having to play the best B1G teams though, but it's still not a big difference from what ISU faces IMO. Now sure.... if you're comparing ISU's SOS to someone like Akron.... fine. That's a big deal. But not in comparing a B1G schedule to a Big 12 schedule.

I find Iowa football really boring to watch, although in the bowl game last year that was FAR from the case, which really scares me. But KF has known forever that what wins games has always been line play on both sides.... being able to run the ball, and stop the run on defense. It's not pretty, but it wins games. And as much as offenses have changed, it's still the case, and always will be. You need a good OL and DL. Name me a team that has had a lot of success without good line play?
 
clonedude said:
I used to be one of those ISU fans making excuses every year for why we didn't do better, or why we lost to Iowa again, etc..... but it just got tiring, old, and lame.

Look at last year's ISU v. Iowa game for example. Initially I was like.... well ISU looked like the better team, won the game statistically, blah, blah, blah..... but you know what.... you didn't win the damn game, so none of that matters.

Like the saying goes.... you are what your record says you are. It's so true. Yeah, maybe we should have beaten Iowa last year, but guess what... we also should have lost to UNI. It all evens out, and in the end you are what your record says you are. If you want bragging rights over Iowa.... it's simple.... beat them for once. Iowa did what they had to do to win last year... that's just a mark of a good team. ISU needs to learn how to do that.

And the SOS argument is total BS. So tired of hearing it. What ISU faces each and every year is not much different at all than what Iowa does. I do think Iowa gets a bit lucky some years in not having to play the best B1G teams though, but it's still not a big difference from what ISU faces IMO. Now sure.... if you're comparing ISU's SOS to someone like Akron.... fine. That's a big deal. But not in comparing a B1G schedule to a Big 12 schedule.

I find Iowa football really boring to watch, although in the bowl game last year that was FAR from the case, which really scares me. But KF has known forever that what wins games has always been line play on both sides.... being able to run the ball, and stop the run on defense. It's not pretty, but it wins games. And as much as offenses have changed, it's still the case, and always will be. You need a good OL and DL. Name me a team that has had a lot of success without good line play?
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You are what you record says you are hold true in most places (except for ISU fans for sure). I mean when Iowa wins 8 games Iowa fans are disappointed, because ultimately that means you beat very few good teams. Most schools are gonna play 6 teams they should beat. The season comes down to how they do in the 6/7 games vs good/great teams they play. If you are winning only 1-2 of those, Iowa fans get pissed about it, and it seems ISU fans make excuses over it. The acting like they have it tougher than Iowa, or other P5 schools is to put it bluntly just a losers attitude. Does anyone cry for Arkansas because of the conference they are in? Does anyone cry about Miss St. or Ole Miss, or Kentucky?

Frankly ISU fans need to shed this losers attitude, because CMC and his team certainly have. Quit being such whinny crybabies all the time, like you said you are what your record says. CMC has ISU on the right path, I think he eventually gets to 9/10 wins at ISU. Until then, just stop with all the crying.
 
Legend Hawk said:
@clonedude isn't a huge troll like you, so of course he is easier to agree with. I mean it is easier to agree with any ISU poster on here over you, you are on @1976 level with your ridiculousness.
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Most people don't like me too much over here as you probably know. They don't like to hear the truth and live in reality.

They prefer to live in their cardinal and gold colored world where ISU is always the best team in the country..... no matter what the actual results say. And if they don't like the results.... there's always an excuse as to why they don't.

I'll bet if you spoke with CMC.... he would never be in the mood for excuses. He deals in reality. That's why he's had success. CMC would NEVER say.... "well if our SOS wasn't so hard we'd be a lot better!".

Just win games and you'll get all the respect you're looking for. Pretty simple.
 
Legend Hawk said:
And you want a medal for beating crappy P5 teams like TCU and Texas Tech. Lets face it, ISU played 2 top 15 conference opponents, 3 bowl quality teams, and then a bunch of bad teams who couldn't get bowl eligible. That is not a daunting conference schedule there. Iowa had to play 4 top 25 conference opponents, that is much tougher and we both know it. I can't imagine how much ISU fans would be crying if they had to play 4 top 15 conference opponents.
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I mean I understand why you would draw the line at top 15. It’s probably hard to understand the quality difference between top 15 teams and playoff teams since Iowa hasn’t actually ever had to play a playoff team during the season.
 
JP4CY said:
What ISU fan is ever going to defend Baylor?
Baylor had to play everyone in the league atleast, how did Minny do against Ohio State and Michigan?
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certain schools should never get defended. Baylor, Penn State, Michigan state to name a few are teams that should have been bounced from their conferences and forced to join the shitbag conference.
 
Crookedhatkid said:
I mean I understand why you would draw the line at top 15. It’s probably hard to understand the quality difference between top 15 teams and playoff teams since Iowa hasn’t actually ever had to play a playoff team during the season.
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Iowa played Michigan State in 2015.
 
JP4CY said:
What ISU fan is ever going to defend Baylor?
Baylor had to play everyone in the league atleast, how did Minny do against Ohio State and Michigan?
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Baylor played a cupcake schedule, you and I both know it. I mean they played 1 great team in OU, 1 good team in Texas, and 3 weak middle of the pack Big12 teams.

I mean next you are gonna tell me that ISU would have been awesome playing Baylors weak ass schedule. Oh, that's right, they did play Baylors weak ass schedule. The fact is if ISU played Baylors super weak schedule they win 1 additional game, because they avoid Iowa.
 
clonedude said:
Most people don't like me too much over here as you probably know. They don't like to hear the truth and live in reality.

They prefer to live in their cardinal and gold colored world where ISU is always the best team in the country..... no matter what the actual results say. And if they don't like the results.... there's always an excuse as to why they don't.

I'll bet if you spoke with CMC.... he would never be in the mood for excuses. He deals in reality. That's why he's had success. CMC would NEVER say.... "well if our SOS wasn't so hard we'd be a lot better!".

Just win games and you'll get all the respect you're looking for. Pretty simple.
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It is crazy when you compare Iowa fans to ISU fans. I mean you got Iowa fans who rip the team up and down when they are winning 7/8 games. Fans get upset, and just don't want to hear any excuses about it. Compare that to ISU fans winning 7/8 games, and they are just the best team every with great talent everywhere, and every recruit CMC gets is the best, and if they just played in another conference they would be dominating and winning 9/10 games a year.

I'm not sure this fan base even deserves a CMC honestly. The fanbase has such a loser mentality for a coach who wants nothing to do with excuses.
 
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