Iowa Football Recruiting

Didn’t see a post from @CyTwins in response to this so I wanted to make sure he saw it. According to AP, your go to metric for judging teams, ISU finishes 4th in the ultra weak B1G West. Behind Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa. And, again according to AP, your beloved and sole metric for determining which team is better, Iowa finishes third in the Big 12, behind Oklahoma and Baylor.

I’ll admit that the bottom of the B1G last year was bad. Especially Rutgers, Maryland, and Northwester. However, the Big 12 had nothing outside Oklahoma and Baylor.

It’s amazing how, despite all the hype promoted on this board, despite consistently being judged with better players, ISU cannot come close to the success of Iowa, and, in fact, struggles to be judged mediocre.

The crazy thing is if ISU was just a top 20 team, they could be #3 in the Big12 every year. Yet Iowa finishes #15, and that is 3rd in the Big10 West and #5 in the Big10 overall. I really wish Iowa got to only play 2 top 15 teams each year in conference play and then a bunch of non ranked teams.
 
LOL, you want to beat your chest over beating non bowl teams. Iowa has lost 1 game to a non bowl team over the last 5 years. If you are losing multiple games to non bowl teams, then you are also a non bowl team.

It's almost impossible not to get a bowl game in the Big Ten West lol
 
I get why Twins does it, but do you really want to beat your chest when you beat teams you should beat 90% of the time? Maybe it is because ISU has been so bad for so long, but I would think that after you get used to being a bowl team after awhile you will begin to understand that you are a bowl team because you nearly always beat the non bowl teams you play.

The whole “bowl-eligible” teams thing came about from you trying pad Iowa’s resume because they beat a team in the MAC. Now I understand that you only have to go back a season to find a situation where a Big 10 division champ lost to MAC team. But in serious college football your good teams just treat beating teams in the MAC as an expectation not something to brag about.
 
Didn’t see a post from @CyTwins in response to this so I wanted to make sure he saw it. According to AP, your go to metric for judging teams, ISU finishes 4th in the ultra weak B1G West. Behind Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa. And, again according to AP, your beloved and sole metric for determining which team is better, Iowa finishes third in the Big 12, behind Oklahoma and Baylor.

I’ll admit that the bottom of the B1G last year was bad. Especially Rutgers, Maryland, and Northwester. However, the Big 12 had nothing outside Oklahoma and Baylor.

It’s amazing how, despite all the hype promoted on this board, despite consistently being judged with better players, ISU cannot come close to the success of Iowa, and, in fact, struggles to be judged mediocre.

So basically you're saying the Big 12 was more balanced? Good to know. Also let's face it Minnesota was a fake ID last year
 
It's almost impossible not to get a bowl game in the Big Ten West lol

Nebraska, NW and Purdue all had to face 4 top 15 teams conference opponents. Kansas, Tech, TCU and WVU all played 2 top 15 conference opponents. The Big12 it is a much easier path to a bowl game, as the top end quality just isn't there.
 
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The whole “bowl-eligible” teams thing came about from you trying pad Iowa’s resume because they beat a team in the MAC. Now I understand that you only have to go back a season to find a situation where a Big 10 division champ lost to MAC team. But in serious college football your good teams just treat beating teams in the MAC as an expectation not something to brag about.

And you want a medal for beating crappy P5 teams like TCU and Texas Tech. Lets face it, ISU played 2 top 15 conference opponents, 3 bowl quality teams, and then a bunch of bad teams who couldn't get bowl eligible. That is not a daunting conference schedule there. Iowa had to play 4 top 25 conference opponents, that is much tougher and we both know it. I can't imagine how much ISU fans would be crying if they had to play 4 top 15 conference opponents.
 
So basically you're saying the Big 12 was more balanced? Good to know. Also let's face it Minnesota was a fake ID last year

So you’re saying Auburn was fake as well? By extension, you’re saying that the AP was fake? I thought the AP was infallible. The only absolute judge of the success of a team. Simply having one more vote than a competitor made that team the unquestionably superior team. Not head to head. Not any other metric like Sagarin.

Minnesota was a top ten team last year, according to the AP. Now you’re telling me that metric is flawed? How can we ever judge the success of the 2017 Iowa and Iowa State teams? I know Iowa won head to head, but we’ve been told that’s invalid, that only the fact ISU received 34 extra votes was important when judging team strength.

Are you saying that the AP is an entirely subjective measure that bores no real relation to team strength, and in 2017 Iowa was the better team? Or are you just saying that you tailor your arguments and facts presented to tell the story you want to tell?
 
The whole “bowl-eligible” teams thing came about from you trying pad Iowa’s resume because they beat a team in the MAC. Now I understand that you only have to go back a season to find a situation where a Big 10 division champ lost to MAC team. But in serious college football your good teams just treat beating teams in the MAC as an expectation not something to brag about.

If the Chicago Tribune writes an article calling isu the “goalpost movers” will JP change your mascot again?
 
So you’re saying Auburn was fake as well? By extension, you’re saying that the AP was fake? I thought the AP was infallible. The only absolute judge of the success of a team. Simply having one more vote than a competitor made that team the unquestionably superior team. Not head to head. Not any other metric like Sagarin.

Minnesota was a top ten team last year, according to the AP. Now you’re telling me that metric is flawed? How can we ever judge the success of the 2017 Iowa and Iowa State teams? I know Iowa won head to head, but we’ve been told that’s invalid, that only the fact ISU received 34 extra votes was important when judging team strength.

Are you saying that the AP is an entirely subjective measure that bores no real relation to team strength, and in 2017 Iowa was the better team? Or are you just saying that you tailor your arguments and facts presented to tell the story you want to tell?

Just wait cowtipper CyTwins will respond that sometimes the AP counts and others it doesn’t. The AP can be used in some ways but not others. When clone fans aren’t moving the goalposts they are busy telling us when rankings count and when they don’t.

It is wild to watch their alternative reality.
 
Nebraska, NW and Purdue all had to face 4 top 15 teams conference opponents. Kansas, Tech, TCU and WVU all played 2 top 15 conference opponents. The Big12 it is a much easier path to a bowl game, as the top end quality just isn't there.

SOS:

Nebraska - 45th
NW - 28th
Purdue - 38th
 
The more I look at it, all of ISU SOS comes from non conference games. I mean if you are only facing 2 top 15 teams, 3 bowl teams and 4 non bowl teams, that is a pretty easy conference schedule. Just beat the 4 non bowl teams, and one of the 3 bowl eligible teams and you are bowl eligible yourself.
 
If everyone is being truly honest...... this thread is a really bad look from the ISU side of things.

If we want to talk trash to Iowa fans, then first of all we better start beating them head to head some day.... then we should start winning more games than they do (don't give me the SOS BS either, the schedules are basically even IMO), and finally we should win our bowl games when we get to them as well. And finally, on top of that, we should probably actually have a better recruiting class than them..... just ONCE.... if we want to brag about recruiting. Oh, and Iowa also puts like 10x the amount of guys in the NFL as we do.

The truth hurts fellow ISU fans. Iowa is still ahead of us in about every single category you can point to.

With that being said, I do believe we've been closing the gap on them since CMC arrived. But we still have a ways to go yet IMO.

I think ISU is as talented or more talented at every position group right now besides OL and probably DL too. But that's a huge issue because that's where games are won and lost. ISU MUST develop a decent OL, and it all starts this season. This entire OL beginning this season will all be CMC guys. Although they will be young and pretty inexperienced.... CMC is saying they will be better as a group than last year's senior laden OL. We shall see.... the success of the season will basically depend on that being the case.

The next thing that must improve IMO is the offensive scheme and play calling. I'm no expert, but when I watch us play, I feel like if I were the opposing DC, it would be pretty easy to defend against us. We run very little misdirection, and consistenly show we have no idea how to beat a blitz. The offense is not dynamic or creative at all.

And what REALLY scares me is that watching Iowa's bowl game last year.... they in fact do seem like they're finally opening things up offensively and being dynamic. It always seemed like teams had a chance against Iowa because their offense was 3 yds and a cloud of dust and they didn't usually score that many points. It was SO boring to watch. But not in that bowl game it surely wasn't.

As I watched them play, I just kept thinking to myself..... "why don't we run something like that?". They were mixing it up big time on offense, running misdirection, using the entire field, mixing in a trick play or two.... USC had no idea what was coming. If that is a sign of things to come under Brian Ferentz's offense... we might be in big trouble. Especially if we don't start getting more creative on offense.

My point is, us ISU fans have no room to talk any trash to Iowa at all. KF has always known what wins football games.... being big and strong in the trenches on both sides of the ball. ISU hasn't. We're getting closer though, but CMC is going to have to develop an OL quick.... and get a lot more creative scheme on offense IMO.

We could have easily beat Iowa the last two years IMO with just being more aggressive offensively. We lose by one stinkin' point last year, and statistically were the better team on the field, but couldn't close the deal. Two years ago in IC, we march right down the field and were actually blowing Iowa off the ball, and the drive stalls on the 2 yd line and we kick a FG, and then don't score again the rest of the game and lose 13-3. After that initial drive we basically never even tried to score the rest of the game. Total vanilla on offense and never threw a pass over 10 yds all day.

Okay, sorry for the long rant. Don't blame anyone if they didn't feel like reading all that, but it's the truth. We have nothing to stand on in talking trash to Iowa. I'm just hoping CMC will do the things needed to turn that corner!
 
So you’re saying Auburn was fake as well? By extension, you’re saying that the AP was fake? I thought the AP was infallible. The only absolute judge of the success of a team. Simply having one more vote than a competitor made that team the unquestionably superior team. Not head to head. Not any other metric like Sagarin.

Minnesota was a top ten team last year, according to the AP. Now you’re telling me that metric is flawed? How can we ever judge the success of the 2017 Iowa and Iowa State teams? I know Iowa won head to head, but we’ve been told that’s invalid, that only the fact ISU received 34 extra votes was important when judging team strength.

Are you saying that the AP is an entirely subjective measure that bores no real relation to team strength, and in 2017 Iowa was the better team? Or are you just saying that you tailor your arguments and facts presented to tell the story you want to tell?

Iowa State played a much more difficult schedule than Iowa last year. The Big 12 and SEC were significantly better than the Big Ten. If you want to say the Big Ten was more top heavy but you're given a bunch of free wins where you can basically rest your team and pad your stats I'll agree with you
 
If everyone is being truly honest...... this thread is a really bad look from the ISU side of things.

If we want to talk trash to Iowa fans, then first of all we better start beating them head to head some day.... then we should start winning more games than they do (don't give me the SOS BS either, the schedules are basically even IMO), and finally we should win our bowl games when we get to them as well. And finally, on top of that, we should probably actually have a better recruiting class than them..... just ONCE.... if we want to brag about recruiting. Oh, and Iowa also puts like 10x the amount of guys in the NFL as we do.

The truth hurts fellow ISU fans. Iowa is still ahead of us in about every single category you can point to.

With that being said, I do believe we've been closing the gap on them since CMC arrived. But we still have a ways to go yet IMO.

I think ISU is as talented or more talented at every position group right now besides OL and probably DL too. But that's a huge issue because that's where games are won and lost. ISU MUST develop a decent OL, and it all starts this season. This entire OL beginning this season will all be CMC guys. Although they will be young and pretty inexperienced.... CMC is saying they will be better as a group than last year's senior laden OL. We shall see.... the success of the season will basically depend on that being the case.

The next thing that must improve IMO is the offensive scheme and play calling. I'm no expert, but when I watch us play, I feel like if I were the opposing DC, it would be pretty easy to defend against us. We run very little misdirection, and consistenly show we have no idea how to beat a blitz. The offense is not dynamic or creative at all.

And what REALLY scares me is that watching Iowa's bowl game last year.... they in fact do seem like they're finally opening things up offensively and being dynamic. It always seemed like teams had a chance against Iowa because their offense was 3 yds and a cloud of dust and they didn't usually score that many points. It was SO boring to watch. But not in that bowl game it surely wasn't.

As I watched them play, I just kept thinking to myself..... "why don't we run something like that?". They were mixing it up big time on offense, running misdirection, using the entire field, mixing in a trick play or two.... USC had no idea what was coming. If that is a sign of things to come under Brian Ferentz's offense... we might be in big trouble. Especially if we don't start getting more creative on offense.

My point is, us ISU fans have no room to talk any trash to Iowa at all. KF has always known what wins football games.... being big and strong in the trenches on both sides of the ball. ISU hasn't. We're getting closer though, but CMC is going to have to develop an OL quick.... and get a lot more creative scheme on offense IMO.

We could have easily beat Iowa the last two years IMO with just being more aggressive offensively. We lose by one stinkin' point last year, and statistically were the better team on the field, but couldn't close the deal. Two years ago in IC, we march right down the field and were actually blowing Iowa off the ball, and the drive stalls on the 2 yd line and we kick a FG, and then don't score again the rest of the game and lose 13-3. After that initial drive we basically never even tried to score the rest of the game. Total vanilla on offense and never threw a pass over 10 yds all day.

Okay, sorry for the long rant. Don't blame anyone if they didn't feel like reading all that, but it's the truth. We have nothing to stand on in talking trash to Iowa. I'm just hoping CMC will do the things needed to turn that corner!

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If everyone is being truly honest...... this thread is a really bad look from the ISU side of things.

If we want to talk trash to Iowa fans, then first of all we better start beating them head to head some day.... then we should start winning more games than they do (don't give me the SOS BS either, the schedules are basically even IMO), and finally we should win our bowl games when we get to them as well. And finally, on top of that, we should probably actually have a better recruiting class than them..... just ONCE.... if we want to brag about recruiting. Oh, and Iowa also puts like 10x the amount of guys in the NFL as we do.

The truth hurts fellow ISU fans. Iowa is still ahead of us in about every single category you can point to.

With that being said, I do believe we've been closing the gap on them since CMC arrived. But we still have a ways to go yet IMO.

I think ISU is as talented or more talented at every position group right now besides OL and probably DL too. But that's a huge issue because that's where games are won and lost. ISU MUST develop a decent OL, and it all starts this season. This entire OL beginning this season will all be CMC guys. Although they will be young and pretty inexperienced.... CMC is saying they will be better as a group than last year's senior laden OL. We shall see.... the success of the season will basically depend on that being the case.

The next thing that must improve IMO is the offensive scheme and play calling. I'm no expert, but when I watch us play, I feel like if I were the opposing DC, it would be pretty easy to defend against us. We run very little misdirection, and consistenly show we have no idea how to beat a blitz. The offense is not dynamic or creative at all.

And what REALLY scares me is that watching Iowa's bowl game last year.... they in fact do seem like they're finally opening things up offensively and being dynamic. It always seemed like teams had a chance against Iowa because their offense was 3 yds and a cloud of dust and they didn't usually score that many points. It was SO boring to watch. But not in that bowl game it surely wasn't.

As I watched them play, I just kept thinking to myself..... "why don't we run something like that?". They were mixing it up big time on offense, running misdirection, using the entire field, mixing in a trick play or two.... USC had no idea what was coming. If that is a sign of things to come under Brian Ferentz's offense... we might be in big trouble. Especially if we don't start getting more creative on offense.

My point is, us ISU fans have no room to talk any trash to Iowa at all. KF has always known what wins football games.... being big and strong in the trenches on both sides of the ball. ISU hasn't. We're getting closer though, but CMC is going to have to develop an OL quick.... and get a lot more creative scheme on offense IMO.

We could have easily beat Iowa the last two years IMO with just being more aggressive offensively. We lose by one stinkin' point last year, and statistically were the better team on the field, but couldn't close the deal. Two years ago in IC, we march right down the field and were actually blowing Iowa off the ball, and the drive stalls on the 2 yd line and we kick a FG, and then don't score again the rest of the game and lose 13-3. After that initial drive we basically never even tried to score the rest of the game. Total vanilla on offense and never threw a pass over 10 yds all day.

Okay, sorry for the long rant. Don't blame anyone if they didn't feel like reading all that, but it's the truth. We have nothing to stand on in talking trash to Iowa. I'm just hoping CMC will do the things needed to turn that corner!

Nothing to disagree with here. Post of this thread.
 
Illinois was a bowl team thanks to the Big Ten West even though West Virginia, TCU and Texas Tech were better than them. Illinois didn't even play a top 50 schedule lol
 

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