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Gonzo said:
MINNESOTA WRs
Bateman - 3rd team All-American, 1st team All-B1G, 60 catches, 1,219 yards, 11 TDs
Johnson - 1st team All-B1G, 86 catches, 1,318 yards, 13 TDs

BAYLOR WRs
Mims - 1st team All-Big 12, 66 catches, 1,020 yards, 12 TDs
Thorton - Zero accolades, 45 catches, 782 yards, 5 TDs

But Baylor's WRs were as good, and the numbers prove it. Sure, makes sense.

Duvernay is the only one who may have been the best of all of them, but Bateman was voted an All-American and Duvernay wasn't, so. Either way, neither Texas nor Okie St. (nor Baylor, sorry) had a 1-2 punch at WR even close to the Goophers.
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If you cut Batemans stats in half to equal Wallaces time, it would be 53/30 903/610 8/5.5. That there is a butt whoopin'. Wallace was by far the most talented WR in college football, just happened to only get to play half a season.


We are also talking the group. Minnesota had 3 players with 15+ catches and 100+ yards for the season. OSU had 7 players who had both of those. Definitely spread out the load and as a corp, stronger.
 
Legend Hawk said:
I consider teams that don't become bowl eligible to be cupcakes. Other might define it otherwise, that's cools. Iowa had to play 8 bowl eligible teams last year, ISU played 7. Both played a very respectable/even tough schedule. It just is laughable when the ISU trolls try to claim that Iowa played cupcakes and ISU played some murderers row, it is simply just a fantasy that it was like that.
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I guess I find it laughable that any team that isn't bowl eligible is a cupcake. I mean, maybe they are for OU, Bama and tOSU. 5-7 teams aren't cupcakes for most 7-5/8-4 type teams...especially when beating them actually kept them out of a bowl.

I for one do not have a problem with Iowa's schedule last year. It was fine. That it is even debatable that it was tougher than ISU's is a huge improvement over past years when Iowa's schedule was a joke. The Big 10 West isn't the laughing stock that it used to be, and that's a credit to teams like Minnesota. If they can sustain and Nebraska actually gets some traction, your schedule will be pretty tough the years you play tOSU. If I were you, I'd be pretty concerned about what Fleck, Frost and Campbell are doing, especially when you are staring at a coaching transition. But that's just me.
 
mitchforcy said:
The WRs under Ferentz have been big doo doo aside from the DJK McNutt years but any ISU fan that say Iowas WRs suck are trolling or just didn't watch them last year. They're not elite but they have some players. For the first time in awhile i'd rather have what Iowa returns than what we do.
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I think we'll be fine, but iowa for sure returns more proven talent. It's kind of bizarro world that we have more talent at TE. I would bet that ISU will be better statistically in both groups, but that's just because we throw more and have a better QB.
 
Brodie0 said:
Iowa’s receivers are better than Iowa State’s.
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what current NFL roster is an Iowa receiver on??

Brodie0 said:
Wadley was a better college RB than Montgomery.
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Wadley is playing on what team currently??

Brodie0 said:
Yeah, it definitely puts a damper on your stats when you play against teams that actually play defense.
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Brodie0 said:
Must be nice only playing one team in conference play with a top 30 defense. Unfortunately, Iowa had to play five such teams, which really puts a damper on your stats.
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must be nice to play only one team within the entire conference inside the top 30 offenses in the nation....
 
BCClone said:
If you cut Batemans stats in half to equal Wallaces time, it would be 53/30 903/610 8/5.5. That there is a butt whoopin'. Wallace was by far the most talented WR in college football, just happened to only get to play half a season.


We are also talking the group. Minnesota had 3 players with 15+ catches and 100+ yards for the season. OSU had 7 players who had both of those. Definitely spread out the load and as a corp, stronger.
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Wallace played in 8 games. That's more than half the season.

We weren't talking the entire WR room. The original discussion was on how well Minney's WRs would do against ISU's DBs. A few extra guys getting 2 catches a game for 30 yards isn't what we were talking about. Minnesota's 2 starting WRs were better as a tandem than most of the WR crews ISU faced last year.
 
Gonzo said:
Wallace played in 8 games. That's more than half the season.

We weren't talking the entire WR room. The original discussion was on how well Minney's WRs would do against ISU's DBs. A few extra guys getting 2 catches a game for 30 yards isn't what we were talking about. Minnesota's 2 starting WRs were better as a tandem than most of the WR crews ISU faced last year.
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That is the difference in the big ten and big 12. The big ten is going to have one back, maybe one TE and several 4 and 5 WR sets. The big ten doesn't have a lot of 4/5 WR sets on a regular basis, the big 12 does. So you can't go 2 deep you have to go 4-5 deep. Maybe 3-4 if you want to add a TE into the mix.


I was thinking it was the 7th game that Wallace got hurt in, so I will take your word that it was the 8th game of the season.
 
Gonzo said:
Baylor, Texas, and OSU had zero All-American WRs, compared to Minney's 1, and none of them had more than 1 all conference WR, compared to Minney's 2 first-team all conference WRs.

But whatever you say.
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I think that this is a pretty ignorant post. Go ahead and check the mock drafts. Cee Dee Lamb is a consensus 1st rounder. Mims from Baylor is a borderline first rounder. Tylan Wallace from OSU is a former Biletnikoff winner who tore his ACL (game after ISU) and is a likely first rounder next year. DuVernay from TX is one of the fastest risers in the draft. Not to mention Jalen Reagor from TCU is a solid 2nd rounder and Chase Claypool from ND is probably a 2nd day pick as well.

Minnesota had a good year and has good WRs. But they are nothing ISU hasn't seen on an almost weekly basis. With so few true passing teams in the Big 10, it's not surprising that they had two make first team (conference probably had 3 spots).
 
BCClone said:
That is the difference in the big ten and big 12. The big ten is going to have one back, maybe one TE and several 4 and 5 WR sets. The big ten doesn't have a lot of 4/5 WR sets on a regular basis, the big 12 does. So you can't go 2 deep you have to go 4-5 deep. Maybe 3-4 if you want to add a TE into the mix.


I was thinking it was the 7th game that Wallace got hurt in, so I will take your word that it was the 8th game of the season.
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Yeah you came in late. My original take on a potential Minney v. ISU game was that Minney's WRs would abuse ISU's DBs. Then it was said that ISU's DBs faced WRs as good as Minney's on a weekly basis. Then I showed that no, on a weekly basis, they didn't. OU obviously has stud WRs. Texas, Baylor, and Okie St. each had 1 really good WR. But nobody other than maybe OU had a better 1-2 punch at WR than Minney. I hate Minnesota. But I can acknowledge that their WRs were really really really good.
 
Frak said:
Minnesota had a good year and has good WRs. But they are nothing ISU hasn't seen on an almost weekly basis. With so few true passing teams in the Big 10, it's not surprising that they had two make first team (conference probably had 3 spots).
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So you're saying Kansas, Kansas St.., Texas Tech, WVU have WRs as good as Minnesota's? If we're talking about what "ISU has seen on an almost weekly basis", well that's nearly half of ISU's conference schedule.
 
motorcy90 said:
what current NFL roster is an Iowa receiver on??

Wadley is playing on what team currently??



must be nice to play only one team within the entire conference inside the top 30 offenses in the nation....
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Uhhhh....are you serious with this?

Iowa’s receivers are better than Iowa State’s this year. What does that have to do with how many WR’s Iowa State has in the NFL?

I said Wadley was a better COLLEGE running back than Montgomery. What does either player’s post-collegiate career have to do with that?
 
Gonzo said:
Yeah you came in late. My original take on a potential Minney v. ISU game was that Minney's WRs would abuse ISU's DBs. Then it was said that ISU's DBs faced WRs as good as Minney's on a weekly basis. Then I showed that no, on a weekly basis, they didn't. OU obviously has stud WRs. Texas, Baylor, and Okie St. each had 1 really good WR. But nobody other than maybe OU had a better 1-2 punch at WR than Minney. I hate Minnesota. But I can acknowledge that their WRs were really really really good.
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If only all teams were forced to only play 2 WRs at once. Then I think you'd have a point. OU, Baylor, TCU, OSU all had a WR better than Minnesota's top guy. And TT, UT and ND had a top guy that was at least in the ballpark. Now, whether anyone of them had a second guy that was as good as Minnesota's is debatable, but in a lot of cases, their 3rd and 4th guys were better than what Minnesota had.
 
Brodie0 said:
Uhhhh....are you serious with this?

Iowa’s receivers are better than Iowa State’s this year. What does that have to do with how many WR’s Iowa State has in the NFL?

I said Wadley was a better COLLEGE running back than Montgomery. What does either player’s post-collegiate career have to do with that?
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Funny how pro success and putting guys in the pros only matters when it fits your narrative.
 
Frak said:
If only all teams were forced to only play 2 WRs at once. Then I think you'd have a point. OU, Baylor, TCU, OSU all had a WR better than Minnesota's top guy. And TT, UT and ND had a top guy that was at least in the ballpark. Now, whether anyone of them had a second guy that was as good as Minnesota's is debatable, but in a lot of cases, their 3rd and 4th guys were better than what Minnesota had.
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Minnesota's top guy was an AP All-American. Only OU's guy was an AP All-American, and some of those other guys weren't even 1st team all conference.

It's not really debatable, none of them other than maybe OU had a second guy on par with Minnesota's, which is what this whole discussion was about to begin with.
 
Gonzo said:
So you're saying Kansas, Kansas St.., Texas Tech, WVU have WRs as good as Minnesota's? If we're talking about what "ISU has seen on an almost weekly basis", well that's nearly half of ISU's conference schedule.
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Would it be better if I said on a bi-weekly basis? Because that's what it was. Sorry, but saying a couple of WRs from a run-first league would abuse an ISU Defense that plays multiple top draft picks every season is funny to me. Watch the draft Thursday and Friday and get back to me.
 
Frak said:
Funny how pro success and putting guys in the pros only matters when it fits your narrative.
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I’ll give you the Wadley-Montgomery comparison, but Iowa State having two wide receivers in the NFL could not be more irrelevant to a discussion regarding which team has better receivers this year.
 
Frak said:
Would it be better if I said on a bi-weekly basis? Because that's what it was. Sorry, but saying a couple of WRs from a run-first league would abuse an ISU Defense that plays multiple top draft picks every season is funny to me. Watch the draft Thursday and Friday and get back to me.
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Well it would be more accurate than saying almost weekly.

Looking forward to the draft. How many Big 12 WRs are you saying will be top picks?
 
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