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Macloney said:
People might need car to go buy food, get medicine, go to a hospital, take another person to a hospital, take medicine to another person, take food to another person, etc. Some of those things could mean life or death. People need cars in America, it's pretty hard to live without them.

Transportation is a necessary business. Drugstores, food, hardware and most places anywhere that sells firearms and/or ammo have been deemed necessary. If you want to question something, I would question the guns, but militia rights I guess.
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Auto repair/maintenance is probably one of the more essential services to some degree. 3-4 weeks into this thing I don't think shopping for cars is really necessary anymore. Same with guns and ammo, people had a lifetime before the outbreak and a few weeks after to stock up on guns and ammo. It's not like guns and ammo are fresh produce being grown on farms with expiration dates. I'm not too upset if gun shops stay open or not but if the NRA wins even one of those lawsuits it further proves how broken our interpretation of the constitution is.

There's an outdoor mall near me, kind of a high end touristy place. Every store has been closed for 3+ weeks now and half of the restaurants. There's a one man pretzel stand operating in the middle of the empty town square style plaza. It's very apocalyptic seeing the one dude in there selling pretzels to almost nobody in an empty outdoor mall. Glad he has a job I guess. He's working by himself behind a glass window.
 
Acylum said:
I’m challenging your assertion that any economic damage that will occur has already taken place and/ or that saving the maximum amount of lives comes with no consequences. If I misinterpreted your post please explain your intended point.
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I don't think anybody has said that saving the most lives doesn't have consequences, nor have I said that all economic fallout that could possibly happen has already happened. Some seem to be acting like nothing bad has happened yet and what they admit to be minute actions to save lives would somehow cause mass destruction that we haven't already endured. I don't think it'll get much worse than this, but it's gonna last a long time no matter what we do. That's why I don't see value in highly prioritizing it, we've already turned it all down -- what's left to artificially fix? We already pulled a ton of strings at the governmental level (mostly the Fed) to save it all early... and they all spectacularly failed.

If we are only concerned about economics outcomes, why is everything closed? Just open it all back up. If people get sick, sucks to be them (and possibly the public business they got sick from that then has a reputation of getting people sick). See, I can talk in absolutes, too.

What's more important: killing people to save a few bucks, or saving people to kill a few bucks?
 
MeowingCows said:
So the greater good belongs to economics and not saving lives from a pandemic?

Or is this another one of those "the cure is worse than the illness!", which has exactly zero proof of happening anywhere on the planet? Hell, our life expectancies went up during the Great Depression.
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Why are you such a cry baby *****?
 
CyCrazy said:
Why are you such a cry baby *****?
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Pointing out facts is being a cry baby *****? Sick personal attack, very strong argument.

Again, where on this entire planet has the economic fallout killed more people than the illness itself? Find me this data point. I'd think we'd be aware if rampant poverty resulting from job closings was killing people, both here and elsewhere...except China, I suppose. And maybe Iran.
 
HFCS said:
Auto repair/maintenance is probably one of the more essential services to some degree. 3-4 weeks into this thing I don't think shopping for cars is really necessary anymore. Same with guns and ammo, people had a lifetime before the outbreak and a few weeks after to stock up on guns and ammo. It's not like guns and ammo are fresh produce being grown on farms with expiration dates. I'm not too upset if gun shops stay open or not but if the NRA wins even one of those lawsuits it further proves how broken our interpretation of the constitution is.

There's an outdoor mall near me, kind of a high end touristy place. Every store has been closed for 3+ weeks now and half of the restaurants. There's a one man pretzel stand operating in the middle of the empty town square style plaza. It's very apocalyptic seeing the one dude in there selling pretzels to almost nobody in an empty outdoor mall. Glad he has a job I guess. He's working by himself behind a glass window.
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I assume that there are at least a few wrecks everyday that require a replacement vehicle and know someone who just went through this last month. A car dealership should be able to operate with very minimal contact if necessary and with minimal on-site staff, though. I agree with you about the guns, but I can agree in one hand.

Our usually busy downtown is like a ghost town, with only a few carryout places open. The exception to this was Chipotle, it wasn't crazy busy, just busier than everything else down there.

Dedicated. That dude is a Pretzel Man, it's in his blood. He's been living so long in that lifestyle that he just doesn't know any other way. Like a wild horse, if you try to break him, he's only going to break your heart.

Pretzel Logic.
 
You've come a helluva long way from this,

MeowingCows said:
Economies recover. Dead bodies don't. The economic crash and unemployment is already happening, that boat has sailed with no obvious end in sight. Is there some masterful non-medical, pure-ecnomics strong play I'm missing here?
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Acylum said:
Are you willing to apply this across the board?
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MeowingCows said:
...meaning what? I don't get it.
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MeowingCows said:
Again, aren't we already past this point? Most places have been closed over 2-3 weeks by now. We keep getting told SIP wouldn't change anything anyway, so I guess it's not hurting anyone else that isn't already down, right? Also, I was told the unemployment benefit changes incentivized people on it to not work, I wonder what happened to that opinion...

I've actually heard stories recently, particularly around manufacturing, that some places are already voluntarily closing down or leaning towards shutdowns/layoffs not because of COVID, but because of a lack of work and demand. This problem going to get worse long before it gets better. We are nowhere close to the end of this economically.
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Acylum said:
Economics or the greater good shouldn’t enter into any decision.
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MeowingCows said:
So the greater good belongs to economics and not saving lives from a pandemic?

Or is this another one of those "the cure is worse than the illness!", which has exactly zero proof of happening anywhere on the planet? Hell, our life expectancies went up during the Great Depression.
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Acylum said:
I’m challenging your assertion that any economic damage that will occur has already taken place and/ or that saving the maximum amount of lives comes with no consequences. If I misinterpreted your post please explain your intended point.
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To This:

MeowingCows said:
I don't think anybody has said that saving the most lives doesn't have consequences, nor have I said that all economic fallout that could possibly happen has already happened. Some seem to be acting like nothing bad has happened yet and what they admit to be minute actions to save lives would somehow cause mass destruction that we haven't already endured. I don't think it'll get much worse than this, but it's gonna last a long time no matter what we do. That's why I don't see value in highly prioritizing it, we've already turned it all down -- what's left to artificially fix? We already pulled a ton of strings at the governmental level (mostly the Fed) to save it all early... and they all spectacularly failed.

If we are only concerned about economics outcomes, why is everything closed? Just open it all back up. If people get sick, sucks to be them (and possibly the public business they got sick from that then has a reputation of getting people sick). See, I can talk in absolutes, too.

What's more important: killing people to save a few bucks, or saving people to kill a few bucks?
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Acylum said:
You've come a helluva long way from this,















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What part of "already happening" did you misunderstand? Not "done happening". Currently, already happening. We've already lost 25% of the stock market or so. Frankly, I'm not sure how much more we can realistically lose. And as long as COVID is around, it's not going to recover well. People will keep getting sick, causing other people to keep being scared to go out and do things, causing businesses to bring in less money and demand, or not be open at all anyway, ...

Meanwhile, your team is simultaneously telling us that SIP is a serious danger to the economy and an ineffective, meaningless tool that changes nothing. How the hell is that possible? If you want the economy to come back, your goal should be to eliminate the illness as swiftly as possible, as reducing the public threat and fear will be key to starting the recovery process. I guess there's two ways to do that, shelter people from getting it until effective treatment comes, or just letting it run wild and "oh well" to those who get sick and/or die. There's not much more in terms of, say, federal money policy left for us to do to soften the blow. We've tried interest rates, we've tried secured bonds, we're now in full bailout stage. The economy at this point is just going to run its course as far as I can tell. And, at this point, the illness still seems to be killing more people thant he economics. Will it stay that way long term, who knows. We're probably going to find out, I suppose.

Again, like I just said before: is it better to kill people to save a few bucks, or kill money to save a few people?
 
Warning: Thread is getting out of hand and I’m not going to let this get sent to the cave or closed. So stop with the ******* politics and bickering. If you want to talk about the pandemic and experiences, do it without politics and ****.
 
Jeremy said:
Warning: Thread is getting out of hand and I’m not going to let this get sent to the cave or closed. So stop with the ******* politics and bickering. If you want to talk about the pandemic and experiences, do it without politics and ****.
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Just start putting people in timeout if they keep getting into fights. Seriously
 
Clonehomer said:
Economies recover from a macro sense, but individuals may not. If you're already living paycheck to paycheck, you're relying on keeping a job right now to pay your bills. So a SIP order that may shut down your job means that your paycheck is also gone. Unemployment doesn't cover 100%.
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Exactly. It's Universal Basic Income time...
 
Jeremy said:
Warning: Thread is getting out of hand and I’m not going to let this get sent to the cave or closed. So stop with the ******* politics and bickering. If you want to talk about the pandemic and experiences, do it without politics and ****.
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Seriously? After how political this thread has been in the past you’re just now jumping in? LOL.
 
Just saw a video of a bunch of people standing around downtown on this loop thing they are doing tonight. We are all so ****** in Des Moines.
 
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MeowingCows said:
What part of "already happening" did you misunderstand? Not "done happening". Currently, already happening. We've already lost 25% of the stock market or so. Frankly, I'm not sure how much more we can realistically lose. And as long as COVID is around, it's not going to recover well. People will keep getting sick, causing other people to keep being scared to go out and do things, causing businesses to bring in less money and demand, or not be open at all anyway, ...

Meanwhile, your team is simultaneously telling us that SIP is a serious danger to the economy and an ineffective, meaningless tool that changes nothing. How the hell is that possible? If you want the economy to come back, your goal should be to eliminate the illness as swiftly as possible, as reducing the public threat and fear will be key to starting the recovery process. I guess there's two ways to do that, shelter people from getting it until effective treatment comes, or just letting it run wild and "oh well" to those who get sick and/or die. There's not much more in terms of, say, federal money policy left for us to do to soften the blow. We've tried interest rates, we've tried secured bonds, we're now in full bailout stage. The economy at this point is just going to run its course as far as I can tell. And, at this point, the illness still seems to be killing more people thant he economics. Will it stay that way long term, who knows. We're probably going to find out, I suppose.

Again, like I just said before: is it better to kill people to save a few bucks, or kill money to save a few people?
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Ha ha a few bucks
 
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