Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[jsb]

Albany, Georgia outbreak has been tied to one funeral; congregations from two separate churches got together in late February. It's a small town, but NPR report said their per capita cases are now similar to Wuhan, China.

that Albany Georgia outbreak is scary.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Actually, my views on her have nothing to do with her political affiliation and surprising enough, I’m a republican. I just don’t necessarily agree with her tactics so far and think she’s not following her criteria well. I just think she’s being reactionary that’s all.

I think she is thinking a lot about the economy and less about the possibility of endangering more lives because right now we’re not in trouble, however we could end up being in trouble if she doesn’t get a handle of everything.

Like in any and every other example of anything, follow the source of the money.

 

[Statefan10]

Yeah, that isn't much. How many are available and how many are in use with COVID patients right now?

I wonder what the right trigger point is. I don't know that we have enough information to have an informed opinion at this point.

Here's the thing, by the time you wait for a trigger point, you're too late. By the time you see a tremendous uptick, you're too late.

If Reynolds and her constituents believe that's not going to happen here and Iowa has it under control. Fine. But her wording in how they still "aren't there yet" as far as going to a stay at home mandate portrays that it's a possibility. If it's a possibility, then I believe we should take the actions that other states have done. No one is calling for locking people in their homes, or not allowing freedom of movement. We're calling for something that states, like Iowa, have already put in place. And that's where I think Gov. Reynolds might be confused. I think she believes some want her to lock Iowa down, which I don't honestly see anyone calling for.

 

[Clonefan32]

Here's the thing, by the time you wait for a trigger point, you're too late. By the time you see a tremendous uptick, you're too late.

If Reynolds and her constituents believe that's not going to happen here and Iowa has it under control. Fine. But her wording in how they still "aren't there yet" as far as going to a stay at home mandate portrays that it's a possibility. If it's a possibility, then I believe we should take the actions that other states have done. No one is calling for locking people in their homes, or not allowing freedom of movement. We're calling for something that states, like Iowa, have already put in place. And that's where I think Gov. Reynolds might be confused. I think she believes some want her to lock Iowa down, which I don't honestly see anyone calling for.

Isn't that essentially what you are suggesting in the bolded below? You've essentially said you want her to put consequences in place for "not following along" in regards to social interaction? I'm genuinely confused what you are asking her to do.

Yesterday when questions came up about kids still hoarding in groups, she blamed parents for allowing that to happen. I mean, obviously it's on the parents to control their kids, but if you're just going to give simple recommendations and not actually enforce any of those, these parents who don't believe this is serious are going to continue to allow their kids to do whatever they want. Those same parents are most likely the ones that are throwing house parties, having garage sales, etc.

People want social interaction.. most want to be around one another. I understand that and I'm like that too. So when you simply recommend something and there are absolutely no consequences for not following along, you're going to get what you're seeing now. She doesn't feel like it's necessary to take more actions at this time as far as enforcing a more strict "lock down" policy. I can understand why, even if I don't agree with it. However, she has to become more powerful in her language. She has to sound forceful. This is not the time to be nice, nor is it the time to be a friend. She's a governor, not a family member.

 

[Clonehomer]

Whar Earl?

He's busy modeling death totals from the virus.

 

[Urbandale2013]

https://ktvo.com/news/local/gov-kim-reynolds-i-cant-lock-the-state-down

I just want to continue to echo what I’ve been saying to those advocating for a shelter in place. If you listen to her in this article this isn’t someone who thinks what we are doing is any different than other states. This isn’t someone who understands there are businesses that can WFH not doing so. This is someone who thinks that what people are calling for is picking people in their home.

For those like @Statefan10 and others who are still being forced to work in the office contact someone at the state. Make it clear that there is a miscommunication issue on what our current order is. Your bosses may not think they’ve been ordered to shut down but the governor seems to think she has told them to.

 

[Statefan10]

Isn't that essentially what you are suggesting in the bolded below? You've essentially said you want her to put consequences in place for "not following along" in regards to social interaction? I'm genuinely confused what you are asking her to do.

Blaming is completely different than adding consequences.. I can say "it's their fault", but what does that do to the situation? Do you think her blaming individuals is going to stop those same individuals from congregating or allowing their kids to congregate? They obviously know what they're doing is wrong but they don't believe this is a big deal! Not putting in some sort of consequence or punishment is making this feel like this is not as big of a deal as it really is.

You could legally throw a block party right now and the state of Iowa could not do anything about it. There are no laws currently in place saying you HAVE to social distance. There are no mandates in place saying you CAN'T have more than 10 people in a group. They are only recommendations, and she's relying on hope that Iowans will "do what's right".

 

[agcy68]

Here's the thing, by the time you wait for a trigger point, you're too late. By the time you see a tremendous uptick, you're too late.

If Reynolds and her constituents believe that's not going to happen here and Iowa has it under control. Fine. But her wording in how they still "aren't there yet" as far as going to a stay at home mandate portrays that it's a possibility. If it's a possibility, then I believe we should take the actions that other states have done. No one is calling for locking people in their homes, or not allowing freedom of movement. We're calling for something that states, like Iowa, have already put in place. And that's where I think Gov. Reynolds might be confused. I think she believes some want her to lock Iowa down, which I don't honestly see anyone calling for.

You still have a trigger point whether it is 1 or 100, it just has to be more predictive than today's actual number. Maybe it's current + rate of growth, but there is a point. I believe that is why she can say it is still in play.

 

[Trice]

This model added nearly 600 deaths since yesterday, projected 1,367 by 8/4.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

 

[Urbandale2013]

Blaming is completely different than adding consequences.. I can say "it's their fault", but what does that do to the situation? Do you think her blaming individuals is going to stop those same individuals from congregating or allowing their kids to congregate? They obviously know what they're doing is wrong but they don't believe this is a big deal! Not putting in some sort of consequence or punishment is making this feel like this is not as big of a deal as it really is.

You could legally throw a block party right now and the state of Iowa could not do anything about it. There are no laws currently in place saying you HAVE to social distance. There are no mandates in place saying you CAN'T have more than 10 people in a group. They are only recommendations, and she's relying on hope that Iowans will "do what's right".

I don’t know that you can go to jail but they will absolutely shut stuff down. That’s how it should be anyway.

 

[Statefan10]

https://ktvo.com/news/local/gov-kim-reynolds-i-cant-lock-the-state-down

I just want to continue to echo what I’ve been saying to those advocating for a shelter in place. If you listen to her in this article this isn’t someone who thinks what we are doing is any different than other states. This isn’t someone who understands there are businesses that can WFH not doing so. This is someone who thinks that what people are calling for is picking people in their home.

For those like @Statefan10 and others who are still being forced to work in the office contact someone at the state. Make it clear that there is a miscommunication issue on what our current order is. Your bosses may not think they’ve been ordered to shut down but the governor seems to think she has told them to.

I don't work for a company that is currently listed under her provisions. She has encouraged companies to wfh but hasn't made it a requirement.

And as far as calling or emailing her, that's a black hole at this point. I've looked into it and basically her email / phone line is being bombarded by messages. Mine would simply be lost in the crowd.

 

[BCClone]

I don't work for a company that is currently listed under her provisions. She has encouraged companies to wfh but hasn't made it a requirement.

And as far as calling or emailing her, that's a black hole at this point. I've looked into it and basically her email / phone line is being bombarded by messages. Mine would simply be lost in the crowd.

As Michael Jordan said, "You miss 100% of the shots you never take". Call you local rep or senator, contact IDPH, contact the Governor. Usually they have people handling that stuff for them. You will never know if you never try.

 

[Statefan10]

You still have a trigger point whether it is 1 or 100, it just has to be more predictive than today's actual number. Maybe it's current + rate of growth, but there is a point. I believe that is why she can say it is still in play.

Yeah and I understand why she hasn't exactly provided that trigger point to the public. That would not be good. She's spoken about her criteria when making these decisions but I have no idea what the tipping point would be. She said they were making care facilities for the elderly a high priority.. well 21 cases came from one facility. That obviously wasn't a big enough deal for her to sway the other way.

 

[Jeremy]

This model added nearly 600 deaths since yesterday, projected 1,367 by 8/4.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

The primary scientist behind that model was on CNN yesterday and made some good points...

1 - His estimates are best of best case scenario.
2 - They assume every state will be in basically a stay at home order by end of week.
3 - All people in all communities will follow very strict social distancing until end of May.
4 - Each day the number of new cases and deaths in the real world are higher than the model for that day.

So just like the total death estimate has gone up countrywide several thousand the past couple days, it will likely continue that way as new data continues to come in.

 

[Statefan10]

I don’t know that you can go to jail but they will absolutely shut stuff down. That’s how it should be anyway.

Yes they could shut stuff down by simply asking them too and hoping they will, but say you're on private property and holding a private gathering, I do not believe at this point they can legally disperse that.

 

[Statefan10]

The primary scientist behind that model was on CNN yesterday and made some good points...

1 - His estimates are best of best case scenario.
2 - They assume every state will be in basically a stay at home order by end of week.
3 - All people in all communities will follow very strict social distancing until end of May.
4 - Each day the number of new cases and deaths in the real world are higher than the model for that day.

So just like the total death estimate has gone up countrywide several thousand the past couple days, it will likely continue that way as new data continues to come in.

Wow..

 

[Clonehomer]

I don't work for a company that is currently listed under her provisions. She has encouraged companies to wfh but hasn't made it a requirement.

And as far as calling or emailing her, that's a black hole at this point. I've looked into it and basically her email / phone line is being bombarded by messages. Mine would simply be lost in the crowd.

Look to your county then. They also have the authority to create shutdown mandates. Might also have better relationships with local employers to have direct conversations with employers.

 

[Clonehomer]

Yes they could shut stuff down by simply asking them too and hoping they will, but say you're on private property and holding a private gathering, I do not believe at this point they can legally disperse that.

Only if it's big enough to require a permit.

 

[NorthCyd]

I think this more has to do with the Laissez Faire leadership style she has been using to handle this. I understand for Iowa that approach was probably needed to be used right away, as we clearly are different from other states, however now we're behind our efforts compared to even more rural states than ours.

She's closed down a lot of our businesses and all schools, however that's literally what every other state had done and she basically had to do that. Since then though, she's put it into the hands of Iowa citizens to "do their part". She's relying on hope that we all will combat this together. That all sounds fine and dandy until you look at the fact that a large portion of the Iowa population don't even believe this is as serious as it is. People are not listening to her recommendations and guidelines. Yesterday there were countless photos being posted to social media proving that fact.

Yesterday when questions came up about kids still hoarding in groups, she blamed parents for allowing that to happen. I mean, obviously it's on the parents to control their kids, but if you're just going to give simple recommendations and not actually enforce any of those, these parents who don't believe this is serious are going to continue to allow their kids to do whatever they want. Those same parents are most likely the ones that are throwing house parties, having garage sales, etc.

People want social interaction.. most want to be around one another. I understand that and I'm like that too. So when you simply recommend something and there are absolutely no consequences for not following along, you're going to get what you're seeing now. She doesn't feel like it's necessary to take more actions at this time as far as enforcing a more strict "lock down" policy. I can understand why, even if I don't agree with it. However, she has to become more powerful in her language. She has to sound forceful. This is not the time to be nice, nor is it the time to be a friend. She's a governor, not a family member.

People who are not being compliant already are not going to suddenly change because the governor sounds more serious. You would need an enforceable order to stay at home. That means added law enforcement on the street. That means a system set up where you need to get approval to go to the grocery store so you have your papers to show law enforecement. That probably means National Guard in the highest population areas to help out with enforcement.

I have seen states who have issued stay at home orders tell their residents not to submit complaints of violators and basically say they are not going to try and enforce it. I doubt any state is really trying that hard to enforce it because it's nearly impossible. Do you really think that's going to do any good? It's no different than just asking your residents to please stay home. The sad truth is for some people they need people dieing all around them to truly fear this and stay home.

 

[Statefan10]

Look to your county then. They also have the authority to create shutdown mandates. Might also have better relationships with local employers to have direct conversations with employers.

Counties nor Mayors have the current power to implement any sort of shutdown mandate. Reynolds thought that was the case but after they looked into it, they found that individual mayors do not have any power to do so. Many have asked if she's going to give that power to mayors, however she said she believes we all should be in this together.