Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[madguy30]

What if there are still cases in Iowa in August? How do you justify opening schools then? If you're wanting to close schools now, I don't see how you open them for another year. There's going to always be someone in Iowa that's been diagnosed until a vaccine is ready.

Optimistically thinking there's better access to testing then, and we'd at least know more by then about how long someone is contagious for, the earliest of earliest signs, if someone is prone to pick it up from someone with no symptoms, etc.

Then at least there's some parameters set.

Wasn't there something posted around here from a blog that something that had helped with another virus was effective in helping someone?

AND they'd know that a small bottle of hand sanitizer can go for a long time.

This is the most hopeful and we're likely looking at a sh*t show because we can't figure it out but it's at least something.

 

[baller21]

What if there are still cases in Iowa in August? How do you justify opening schools then? If you're wanting to close schools now, I don't see how you open them for another year. There's going to always be someone in Iowa that's been diagnosed until a vaccine is ready.

Do you understand the concept of flattening the curve?

 

[madguy30]

Do you understand the concept of flattening the curve?

People would have to acknowledge something existing before understanding it.

 

[MeanDean]

Didn't realize that we had so many infectious disease experts on CF.

When a person knows how every sport should be played and coached - is it any wonder that person also knows all about everything else?

 

[MeanDean]

Ok finally someone coming to grips with reality here. None of these "we'll just reopen again in a few weeks when everything is all better" statements have made any sense.

To be fair, I think most of those are more like "At this point we've decided to close for two weeks. We will evaluate again near the end of that time."

Like we used to say...

There are things you know and things you don't know.

Of the things you don't know some you will never know. Others you will know later.

Of the ones you will know later, some you know when that later is and some you don't.

So it makes sense to make the prudent decision for now and the immediate future - and push the longer term decisions down the road until you know more of what you don't know now.

 

[Trice]

What if there are still cases in Iowa in August? How do you justify opening schools then? If you're wanting to close schools now, I don't see how you open them for another year. There's going to always be someone in Iowa that's been diagnosed until a vaccine is ready.

Exactly - if the stance is zero tolerance on the front end it likely needs to be that way on the back end too, and that just isn’t realistic.

You've been in this thread for days. How is this not sinking in?

There is no "zero tolerance." Literally nobody has that expectation. It is about trying to manage the spread.

I don't know what it looks like when schools reopen. Purely my guess is that we reach some point weeks or months from now where we feel like the number of cases needing treatment or hospitalization is comfortably within the capacity of the health care system to handle them. And - again, just my guess - then most people's lives probably go back to normal at that point.

They'll probably still recommend isolation for new cases and tell vulnerable people like seniors or people with underlying conditions to remain extra cautious. And we might need to be prepared to do this all over again in the fall if it flares up again as some experts predict.

I get your frustrations here but we're just passing along information. We haven't even begun to do what experts really think is necessary to manage this.

 

[baller21]

People would have to acknowledge something existing before understanding it.

Right.
This isn’t rocket science. The best way to slow the spread is before the explosion not after.
Obviously you can’t keep things shut down forever but people still denying this will explode are ignorant AF.

 

[Trice]

Nope, but you can try to mince words if you want to. I'm saying the the CDC knows more than any of us, but if you think you are more informed than them, go ahead and tell us how they are wrong. They present their best reports on what we need and should do with the information they have. Too many times people are drinking the rumor mill kool-aid and feeding it at the same time.

Do you go to the Doctor and if they tell you that meds won't support whatever illness you have, go out on the black market and get some meds instead? I go by the experts reports. Sometimes they are wrong, but they are right more times than the laypeople are who are feeding the rumor mill.

That's a really neat hypothetical you cooked up there but it's meaningless. To make that analogy work, imagine going to the doctor and he orders a blood draw but the results he gets are two weeks old and only include a fraction of the data he needs to diagnose your condition.

It isn't that the doctor has bad intentions or isn't competent, but he doesn't have the tools he needs to assess the situation.

And spare me the rumor mill garbage. You got better information, then offer it up and refute what you see here.

 

[LeaningCy]

 

[Urbandale2013]

https://www.weareiowa.com/mobile/ar...d-19/524-0e15334f-6cba-42cd-a69f-7fae2f800345

While I don't really think that cancelling the parade is a bad thing Cownie and the Des Moines government have just been itching to be able to take these actions.
As I’ve said before we must take this seriously and take necessary precautions. At the same time we must not panic and completely shut down our society.

 

[BCClone]

That's a really neat hypothetical you cooked up there but it's meaningless. To make that analogy work, imagine going to the doctor and he orders a blood draw but the results he gets are two weeks old and only include a fraction of the data he needs to diagnose your condition.

It isn't that the doctor has bad intentions or isn't competent, but he doesn't have the tools he needs to assess the situation.

And spare me the rumor mill garbage. You got better information, then offer it up and refute what you see here.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/summary.html


I know you will say these guys are bumbling fools and clueless, but here is a good start.

This is a coronavirus, SARs was a coronavirus. They have said it is similar to SARS so they have seen stuff like this before, they aren't completely blind to this.

You want me to refute opinions of yours. You want to present many as facts. I have learned when people are presenting their opinions as facts, that all they want is to have people reinforce their opinion. I ask you to say how the CDC is wrong. What information do you have that they do not. My information came from them. So offer up how your information is more valid than the CDCs

 

[Rabbuk]

https://www.weareiowa.com/mobile/ar...d-19/524-0e15334f-6cba-42cd-a69f-7fae2f800345

While I don't really think that cancelling the parade is a bad thing Cownie and the Des Moines government have just been itching to be able to take these actions.
As I’ve said before we must take this seriously and take necessary precautions. At the same time we must not panic and completely shut down our society.

Pretty sure a parade would qualify as a group of 250 or more. Also pretty much every parade in the country has already been cancelled.

 

[Trice]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/summary.html


I know you will say these guys are bumbling fools and clueless, but here is a good start.

This is a coronavirus, SARs was a coronavirus. They have said it is similar to SARS so they have seen stuff like this before, they aren't completely blind to this.

You want me to refute opinions of yours. You want to present many as facts. I have learned when people are presenting their opinions as facts, that all they want is to have people reinforce their opinion. I ask you to say how the CDC is wrong. What information do you have that they do not. My information came from them. So offer up how your information is more valid than the CDCs

You haven't yet addressed the fundamental question here: do you believe the number of confirmed cases reported is truly representative of the actual number of cases of coronavirus present in the US?

 

[Gunnerclone]

Pretty sure a parade would qualify as a group of 250 or more. Also pretty much every parade in the country has already been cancelled.

Ya, that’s not shutting down everyday life.

 

[Cyched]

https://www.weareiowa.com/mobile/ar...d-19/524-0e15334f-6cba-42cd-a69f-7fae2f800345

While I don't really think that cancelling the parade is a bad thing Cownie and the Des Moines government have just been itching to be able to take these actions.
As I’ve said before we must take this seriously and take necessary precautions. At the same time we must not panic and completely shut down our society.

After listening to that guy in charge of the parade, I figured it was a matter of time before the decision was taken out of his hands.

 

[BCClone]

You haven't yet addressed the fundamental question here: do you believe the number of confirmed cases reported is truly representative of the actual number of cases of coronavirus present in the US?

Yeah I did if you read the information I posted. It states "Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that are common in people and many different species of animals, including camels, cattle, cats, and bats". Thanks for reading. Just like the flu and other viruses and such, they gather the information and report what they have confirmed and then later give an estimate on the number of people who actually had it or do have it.

I would like to have you link the information sites that you are gathering your information from so it makes it easier to compare. I have shared mine, don't remember if you have, so I kindly ask you to post yours so I can read it/them and compare the information and find out where the CDC is wrong.

 

[madguy30]

Ya, that’s not shutting down everyday life.

Parade gets shut down because of a thunderstorm, people: 'oh, well. Next year'.

Global pandemic: 'WHY!?'

 

[Gunnerclone]

Parade gets shut down because of a thunderstorm, people: 'oh, well. Next year'.

Global pandemic: 'WHY!?'

Exactly. Great scenario.

 

[Urbandale2013]

Parade gets shut down because of a thunderstorm, people: 'oh, well. Next year'.

Global pandemic: 'WHY!?'

Who is actually complaining about the parade being shut down?

 

[CascadeClone]

Since this is an Iowa thread, I will just say one thing: I'm glad I live in Iowa.

I don't expect looting, hoarding, or Lord of the Flies scenarios here. (And that will happen in some places here and there I think)

I expect that younger folks will go out and do the stuff that needs be done (food production, utilities, public safety, etc).
I expect people will go the extra mile to help older and at-risk folks stay home and safe.
I expect people will work from home when possible, wash their hands like they're supposed to, and stay home when they feel sick.

No panic - just good old midwest common sense and community in the face of fear.