MLB Suspends Astro Mgr & GM For Cheating.

[Go2Guy]

Holy crap; this seems kinda severe. I know electronic equip was used to steal signs, but stealing signs is as MLB as the 'BrushBack'. 1-yr suspension; $5 MM fine and 1st / 2nd round draft picks !

"..Major League Baseball dealt the most severe punishment against a team in its history Monday by suspending Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager A.J. Hinch for a year for their role in using electronic equipment to steal signs, while fining the organization $5 million and stripping them of first- and second-round draft picks in 2020-2021....."

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ff-luhnow-aj-hinch-suspended-year/4456644002/

 

[simply1]

Pretty big hammer there

 

[allday4cy]

Dodger fan here. I guess I don't see it as a huge deal. The dodgers choked that series away. Game 2, Game 5 and don't get me started on game 7 lol

 

[beentherebefore]

Holy crap; this seems kinda severe. I know electronic equip was used to steal signs, but stealing signs is as MLB as the 'BrushBack'. 1-yr suspension; $5 MM fine and 1st / 2nd round draft picks !

"..Major League Baseball dealt the most severe punishment against a team in its history Monday by suspending Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager A.J. Hinch for a year for their role in using electronic equipment to steal signs, while fining the organization $5 million and stripping them of first- and second-round draft picks in 2020-2021....."

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ff-luhnow-aj-hinch-suspended-year/4456644002/

It's what the NCAA should do to cheaters. I am impressed, but I assume MLB will not "vacate" the World Series title.

 

[laminak]

Holy crap; this seems kinda severe. I know electronic equip was used to steal signs, but stealing signs is as MLB as the 'BrushBack'. 1-yr suspension; $5 MM fine and 1st / 2nd round draft picks !

"..Major League Baseball dealt the most severe punishment against a team in its history Monday by suspending Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager A.J. Hinch for a year for their role in using electronic equipment to steal signs, while fining the organization $5 million and stripping them of first- and second-round draft picks in 2020-2021....."

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ff-luhnow-aj-hinch-suspended-year/4456644002/

Didn't they use that to steal signs in the World Series vs the Dodgers? I'm sure that was a factor.

 

[3TrueFans]

Pretty big hammer there

In exchange for a World Series win? I imagine the $5 million is basically nothing to a billionaire owner/organization, lose the ability to draft 4 players and your GM and manager get a year long break. Seems worth it to me.

 

[cyfan92]

I'd go a season without CMC/Prohm and Pollard to win a national title in either sport...

 

[cyfan92]

Like, ISU pays the #1 PG to play at ISU. We win a natty and Prohm is suspended for a year... Money well spent

 

[JM4CY]

I'd go a season without CMC/Prohm and Pollard to win a national title in either sport...

 

[Die4Cy]

It's all just window dressing if you aren't going to vacate the title for cheating.

 

[Doc]

I think it's an appropriately punishment. The $5m fine is nothing, but the value of those 4 draft picks is probably going to be around $28 million ($10m per late 1st round, $4m per late 2nd rounder), unless the Astros fall off a cliff. The Astros will save some money by not having to sign those picks, but it's not nearly that much.

Article on valuing draft picks.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/an-update-on-how-to-value-draft-picks/

 

[fsanford]

Holy crap; this seems kinda severe. I know electronic equip was used to steal signs, but stealing signs is as MLB as the 'BrushBack'. 1-yr suspension; $5 MM fine and 1st / 2nd round draft picks !

"..Major League Baseball dealt the most severe punishment against a team in its history Monday by suspending Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager A.J. Hinch for a year for their role in using electronic equipment to steal signs, while fining the organization $5 million and stripping them of first- and second-round draft picks in 2020-2021....."

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...ff-luhnow-aj-hinch-suspended-year/4456644002/

Definitely not too severe. I would have also rolled back their Salary cap to 2017 for 2 years, and double the luxury tax if they go over.

Those who played baseball know what huge advantage it is to know what pitch is being thrown.

 

[BigJCy]

 

[fsanford]

Dodger fan here. I guess I don't see it as a huge deal. The dodgers choked that series away. Game 2, Game 5 and don't get me started on game 7 lol

You might be right, then again if the Dodgers had the Astro's signs in Game 2 maybe they win going away.

 

[Go2Guy]

It's what the NCAA should do to cheaters. I am impressed, but I assume MLB will not "vacate" the World Series title.

Heck yes, but the NCAA doesn't have the Balz like MLB. To think Sean Miller and LSU even have a coach this year is mind-boggling. Can't believe KU hasn't fired the Asst Coach - Towsend (sp?).

 

[Go2Guy]

Holy Double Crap ?#@?

 

[fsanford]

Heck yes, but the NCAA doesn't have the Balz like MLB. To think Sean Miller and LSU even have a coach this year is mind-boggling. Can't believe KU hasn't fired the Asst Coach - Towsend (sp?).

Well allegedly they came down pretty hard on Louisville, and they are still good.
I think the whole SMU thing, death penalty just make the NCAA paranoid

It will be interesting what the NFL does to team hoodie, if it is proven they were recording the Bengals coaching signals

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Holy Double Crap ?#@?

Shoulda cheated better

 

[cycloner29]

What is worse betting on baseball (as a manager, not a player (Pete Rose)) or stealing signs?

 

[fsanford]

What is worse betting on baseball (as a manager, not a player (Pete Rose)) or stealing signs?

Stealing signs has always been part of the game.. But it was done with guys on 2nd etc touching the brim of the helmet stuff like. The way the Astro's took it to another level it was equivalent to hacking someone's account.