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[ArgentCy]

I discount experience when it is not related to what the job requires. PE teachers have to know how to count to keep score. But 15 years experience doing that doesn't mean they are ready to teach Calculus. You need a base knowledge that requires experience directly related or classroom knowledge/training. All these people that are saying that they learn the most "in the first year" have that knowledge as their base; they aren't going form zero to teacher/counselor/accountant/engineer immediately.

Since people seem to like memes around here. This is what comes to mind.

 

[madguy30]

Yes, if someone wants to hire them. That is how a free market works.

So this is how we should get Drs. too?

 

[ArgentCy]

Those would be covered by the same endorsement. You couldn't, as a person with a K-8 or 5-12 Math endorsement all of a sudden decide to teach physics though.

How many different freaking "endorsements" have they created these days?

 

[SoapyCy]

according to the Iowa BOE there are 123 separate license areas. 123.

 

[ArgentCy]

So this is how we should get Drs. too?

Yep.

 

[3TrueFans]

How many different freaking "endorsements" have they created these days?

I wouldn't want to take away the excitement of you figuring out how to find that information yourself.

 

[ArgentCy]

according to the Iowa BOE there are 123 separate license areas. 123.

You answered my question before I posted. Impressive. That is also an embarrassing number of areas. Every time someone wants to "identify" a new set of ways to classify kids they are going to have to grow the license requirements.

 

[madguy30]

do you think experienced teachers should be able to get that new certification while teaching or do you think they should have to go back to school for a "related yet different" area?

idk. i'm not talking about her specifically. and even then, telling people they better get all those certifications when they're 18-23 seems like an odd way to go about it.

in general i think the idea that you need a degree to get your foot in the door for most decent jobs is a bad thing for our workforce (***NOTE - NOT FOR TEACHING**) and i think it's bad that schools require so many certifications for related areas.

Bolded: if the person has not had experience in a specific area, they should get the certification while working. I know many teachers who do or have had to to make themselves more 'marketable'.

I think having a general teaching degree in many situations could possibly be an 'umbrella' of sorts but when it comes to something like special education, getting the schooling is important.

 

[madguy30]

Yep.

So, someone comes off the street and applies for a job with no background in the field, and they should be hired?

That's amazing.

 

[madguy30]

You have to start from somewhere. Adding endorsements is a different deal. I did not know the extent of freaking details they've added since I was in school. I think they only had K-6 and secondary education back then.

So you think your art or music science and math teachers just had a basic teaching degree?

Some things starting line up here.

 

[ArgentCy]

So, someone comes off the street and applies for a job with no background in the field, and they should be hired?

That's amazing.

I didn't say they should be hired. It should be entirely up to the company needing some help.

 

[madguy30]

hey @3TrueFans , here is a serious question.

In the past I have asked about becoming a teacher in my professional field, in which I have a Master's Degree. The response has been "teacher education isn't about the technical field, it is about how to work with children, the brain, etc." If that is the case, and it is not subject related, why does each subject have it's own endorsement? Wouldn't professional experience in a field count and you would only need the basic pedagogical instruction?

For the record there MIGHT be some loopholes for things that you've already done that could transfer over for credits to make the process less painful.

Master's Degrees is another subject...in education they can boost your salary but also require $$ and possibly adding debt which is counter productive to the salary advancement. If someone can't afford a Master's picking away at credits for far cheaper should be another route to boost the salary.

 

[3TrueFans]

hey @3TrueFans , here is a serious question.

In the past I have asked about becoming a teacher in my professional field, in which I have a Master's Degree. The response has been "teacher education isn't about the technical field, it is about how to work with children, the brain, etc." If that is the case, and it is not subject related, why does each subject have it's own endorsement? Wouldn't professional experience in a field count and you would only need the basic pedagogical instruction?

https://iowateacherintern.org/

The University of Northern Iowa, University of Iowa and Iowa State University designed the Regents Alternative Pathway to Iowa Licensure (RAPIL) to help talented professionals answer the call to teach. RAPIL allows the participant to be a salaried teacher in a secondary Iowa school, on a Teacher Intern License, for one year. Upon successful completion of the internship year and all program requirements, the candidate is recommended for the Initial Teaching License.

 

[matclone]

do you think experienced teachers should be able to get that new certification while teaching or do you think they should have to go back to school for a "related yet different" area?

idk. i'm not talking about her specifically. and even then, telling people they better get all those certifications when they're 18-23 seems like an odd way to go about it.

in general i think the idea that you need a degree to get your foot in the door for most decent jobs is a bad thing for our workforce (***NOTE - NOT FOR TEACHING**) and i think it's bad that schools require so many certifications for related areas.

You've really beat the poor horse to death. The licensing/certification requirements may not be perfect but they are there for a reason. If you really want to teach something new, you should do what you have to do to meet the requirements of the profession.

 

[CycloneErik]

hey @3TrueFans , here is a serious question.

In the past I have asked about becoming a teacher in my professional field, in which I have a Master's Degree. The response has been "teacher education isn't about the technical field, it is about how to work with children, the brain, etc." If that is the case, and it is not subject related, why does each subject have it's own endorsement? Wouldn't professional experience in a field count and you would only need the basic pedagogical instruction?

It's fun to watch you flail around in your little thread here.
No, it shouldn't count. You or anyone else should meet the educational requirements in order to make sure things have been covered.

 

[matclone]

mark this day down. argent and i agree on something.

Might be a clue that your position isn't real strong.

 

[SoapyCy]

You've really beat the poor horse to death. The licensing/certification requirements may not be perfect but they are there for a reason. If you really want to teach something new, you should do what you have to do to meet the requirements of the profession.

i know it's dead, we can probably close this thread. i'm not arguing getting the certification to teach something new. i'm arguing that the certification is even there for 123 different areas.

 

[3TrueFans]

hey @3TrueFans , here is a serious question.

In the past I have asked about becoming a teacher in my professional field, in which I have a Master's Degree. The response has been "teacher education isn't about the technical field, it is about how to work with children, the brain, etc." If that is the case, and it is not subject related, why does each subject have it's own endorsement? Wouldn't professional experience in a field count and you would only need the basic pedagogical instruction?

Also this
https://www.boee.iowa.gov/enter-teaching-profession-iowa

Career and Technical Authorization. This route requires hours of experience to teach in career and technical fields (no degree required). 6000 experience hours (approximately three years) or 4000 experience hours (if the applicant also has a bachelor’s degree) are required. Applicants can begin teaching immediately, and short courses in basic pedagogy are completed online. This is a highly successful alternative program which fills a great need in Iowa including but not limited to areas such as construction, drafting, welding, mechanics, military, electricity, culinary, agriculture, engineering, technology, and many more.

 

[jsb]

For the 15th time, I'm not talking about one license for everything and anything. I never said PE teachers should be allowed to teach calculus. You're twisting my argument into something absurd and then refuting that.

If you can 6th grade math do you think someone should need a new certification/license to teach the same 7th grade math? It's a yes or no question for a specific scenario.

A lot of times you are certified for K-6 or 7-12. 6th grade is often deemed elementary. 7th is junior high. So, yes, I think it is reasonable to have to be certified differently.

 

[3TrueFans]

i know it's dead, we can probably close this thread. i'm not arguing getting the certification to teach something new. i'm arguing that the certification is even there for 123 different areas.

I mean it probably doesn't have to be 123 I'm sure, but figure that elementary and secondary are 2 completely different beasts first. Then you have all of the subjects to be taught in both of them, then special ed endorsements, languages, etc. It adds up fast.