If Campbell elevates us again this year, will be hard to handle his red hot resume. Jamie better be doing some shady stuff late on the weekends to pay for Matt.
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It's only a matter of time (probably pretty short time) before CMC moves on from here IMO.
So we all just need to appreciate every day that he's still here. This could very well be his last year here, you never know.
If JP can hang onto him somehow, that would be miraculous.
So we all just need to appreciate every day that he's still here. This could very well be his last year here, you never know.
If JP can hang onto him somehow, that would be miraculous.
To compare winning at ISU to Iowa is laughable at best to outright dishonest. Iowa has many advantages over Iowa State, 8 wins at Iowa should be the bare minium to be considered to be a successful season, that number would be 6 at ISU.
Lets look at the advantages Iowa has:
1. It plays in the easiest division since the old Big 12 North, name a great team in the division. Wisconsin is decent, but has gone through 3 coaches in the last 5 years, NW has the problems with their academic requirements, Nebraska has gone through 4 coaches in the last 12 years and has won the same amount of games as Iowa. Illinois, Purdue and Minn. are average to below average teams. Iowa has had the same coach for 20 years, basically the same staff.. Huge advantage to Iowa.
2. Iowa has owned us in instate recruiting, It pisses my off, but U of I is located in the part of the state that is producing the best football players, few are coming out of Des Moines, and we have at best a 50/50 shot for them to end up at ISU.
3. More money and in a more stable conference, they are printing money at BTN, and that allows them to continue to build and improve the product.
4. The Big 10 bowl package puts the Big 12's to shame, they have 4 New Years day Florida bowls alone. The Big 12 has ONE. You can finish 4 or 5th in the big 10 and get a Florida bowl for your fans to enjoy the sun come January 1st.
5 You get to miss the best team in the conference as much as you play them. Freerents has played Ohio St. 11 times during his 20 years at Iowa, combining a 2-9 record. They crow about winning 5/6 against Michigan, but 4 for those were in Iowa City. How well could Campbell do if we missed OU every other year, and played Texas at home 4 of 6 times?
This and more is why Iowa is the Fake ID of college football, and the glory years of 02,03 and 04 are getting further and further behind in the rear view mirror. But what about 15, undefeated and 12 - 0. You missed playing OU, Mich, Mich. St. and Penn St. during the regular season and the Rose Bowl against Stanford was over within a quarter.
If Freerents retired today, his winning percentage would not qualify him to be voted into the college football hall of fame. Iowa has found a way to game the system, play two nobodies and ISU in the preseason, then play 6 games every year in the weak Big 10 west and your reward, a nice Florida Bowl trip. And then to top it off, they complain about how playing ISU every year hurts their SOS, but as one of the top 15 wealthiest atheletic departments, must have 7 home games a year to keep supporting the atheletic department. You mean to tell me you cannot once every 5 to 6 years only have 6 home games and then play another decent P5 school those years?
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Iowa is also well respected on the national scene for developing players. Sure the Hawks suck, but there are large parts of their program we're trying to emulate. Personally I think we'll be better at development than they are eventually but credit where due.
Could also be the start of a decade-long stretch of owning the league and playing in the last handful of games - you never know.
Until we start winning against them, they play 3 nobodies in the non-conference.
Nobody is saying that Iowa is not producing a lot off NFL talent, they are, But then why are they not doing more with that talent while they are at Iowa. Last year, they had 2 first round draft picks at the TE position, but somehow they could not find a way to a way to get both of them on the field at the same time. Fant spent as much time watching as he did on the field. And this is a good to great coaching staff?
To beat Iowa you have to above average QB play, if you rely just on running the ball straight at them they will shut you down, they are built to stop the run. Teams that give them fits, like NW and Purdue do not allow them to play that game, they spread them out and attack them from all over the field. ISU made that mistake last year, we have Montgomery, we are going to ride him to the victory, not going to happen and its didn't. This year we need to come out throwing the ball and then go to running it.
FIFY.
By the way—what part of Matt Campbell repeatedly saying he wants to build something special here long term are people missing?
duke played in 8 bowl game before cutcliffe in 89 years. they have made it 6 out of the last 7 years. when you turn a program around that is a perpetual cellar dweller like Duke (or ISU for that matter), you know a little bit about coaching.
I don't follow Iowa (and never sure why any ISU fan does) but the fact they put guys in the league after 4 years in their programs would seem to support they get undeveloped kids that only get better as they spend time in the program. Taking low ranked kids that are undersized but tough and turning them into league players is a huge selling point.
I'd like to think we're doing the same AND having college success as well.
Ya I never understand us playing Iowa's game when we play. Spread them out and make them cover space. Give them a ton of looks to have to deal with that aren't on our scouting report. Be on your game and ready for changes that they make. Iowa isn't that talented, they are just good at boring football.
you think if Ohio states came calling in a few years if their new coaching experiment doesn't pan out CMC wouldn't jump ship? He'd be stupid not to. CMC isn't stupid. He probably had similar quotes about Toledo too. who would have thought dan Mullen would have left miss st. after 9 seasons and hiving them on the brink of a conference title just a few years ago?
not saying CMC is going anywhere. but its not out of the question for him to do so either. he's a successful college coach. successful college coaches rarely stick around non powerhouse schools. there are only 16 coaches that have been at their school for.10+ years. there are 130 division 1 football schools.
hope you are right and we have our version of pat Fitzgerald, kyle whittigham, Gary Patterson, gundy, Kirk (face it, they have been way more successful than ISU for a long time), cutcliffe, or Antonio.
I know to watch your opponent is to learn and try to understand your opponent. If I am not at the ISU game, and Iowa is on, I watch it. Do not what to be the clueless fan that says something about Iowa without ever seeing them.
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Oh, I see. Since The Browns proved not to be the irresistible lure, the “he gone!” Chicken Littles are going with tOSU now?
As you said, CMC isn’t stupid. He has the lessons of ISU coaches heading to “dream jobs” to offer an object lesson. And I’m not just talking Fred Hoiberg and Tim Floyd—but look at the second rate schools they both wound up coaching!
No, Matt Campbell has the legacy of Earle Bruce staring him straight in the face. Bruce had much stronger ties to Ohio State than Campbell does.
Sure, Earle had a monster first year at tOSU, and was Big 10 COTY. But it was all downhill from there.
I’m pretty sure that CMC is thinking about the next thirty years of his career, rather than just eight or so—then scrambling to find the best job possible.
And he thinks that with the fan support and overall situation at ISU, he can build a contender. No way he thought that at Toledo.
But oddly your opinions seem solely on the "iowa sucks" track so I'm not sure you're objective about your analysis. Haven't met many people who love ISU, hate iowa and have any kind of unbiased opinion of either.
Can he BE a coach at OSU? Or does he have to be more firmly entrenched in all those things those coaches have to do - boosters, etc... Seems IF we can make a step towards conference championships he might realize his coach / life balance as well as his compensation will be hard to beat anywhere else.
Sure I have, just like many Iowa fans hate ISU. But disliking Iowa or even hating them does not blind me to what I and others have stated.
My whole point was to the fact that someone said, Iowa faces the same disadvantages as ISU does in football, and that could not be further from the point. The only real disadvantage Iowa faces is that the state of Iowa produces few high level 4 and 5 star recruits. But they are well positioned to move into Illinois, Missouri, Minn, and Wisconsin to get some of those players.
ISU is in a whole different boat, we end up trying to recruit kids in Texas and Florida to come play in the colder Northern part of the country, much more difficult task to do, and Campbell has been doing a great job at it.
I have said for years, put ISU in the Big 10 with its built in advantages and the football team will shine. We might never be the top dog, but would be better and can do more than in the Big 12.
While the approach looked bad, the real problem with playing Iowa has always been the poor OL play. Last year they were in on KK in less than 2 seconds if ISU tried to pass. Purdy might have been able to escape and do something, but it is unlikely. Playing them the first game of the year with a new OL and new OL coach, DM hurt and then in IC sure didn't help. Team have to be able to run to win games and CMC is trying real hard to get the OL to the point where the team can expect positive running plays.
Well of course, but if we split out 5 wide outs there are plenty of hot routes to handle it if Iowa pressures. I agree we must be able to run, but we didn't even try in that game. It was sad.
Besides the schedule, which I mentioned, and Iowa having more money they are in the same boat as ISU. They have done a better job of recruiting Iowa and the midwest than ISU, but most of that is from ISU just plain sucking for so long. ISU took a lot of lower ranked TX guys that were not as good, or left the program after the first year or two. Attrition and coaching changes hurt CPR's as much as anything. Hard to develop guys that leave school.
The tide is turning on the recruiting and at some level the money.