On That Note - Wax and Wane

[MeanDean]

Happy Wednesday and welcome to another weekly edition of On That Note. OTN is a music discussion forum hosted by myself, @cyclones500 and @CycloneRulzzz.

This weeks OTN is based on a suggestion from @Knownothing.

The focus this time is on groups/acts you used to like but now don't like. And conversely, groups/acts you formerly didn't care for, but have over time, or for some reason, come to appreciate.

Thus the title Wax and Wane. And as cyclones500 pointed out when he suggested the title, 'wax' is also a slang term for a record.

Please elaborate on how the change occurred or what was the reason.

Also please post the song or songs that most caused that change, either positive or negative.

Here is a link to last week's post, "Give Us Your Keys"

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/on-that-note-give-us-your-keys.247831/

Now, my initial contribution...

Leslie Gore (overplayed - especially It's My Party). Instead of that I'll post a song of hers that is less played I still enjoy hearing on occasion: California Nights.




Next you have The Four Seasons who also are overplayed. And the similarity between songs is quite, well, similar. Then throw in the fact I'm not a huge fan of the male falsetto voice you have a strong reason why I'm over them. And like Leslie I actually still DO sorta like one of their songs. C'mon Marianne.




Lastly Neil Diamond. Back when Oldies radio was a thing there was a local station that strongly catered to Neil Diamond fans (they called them "Diamond heads"). It got old fast so I started holding a grudge against his music. I do sort of still tolerate some earlier stuff of his and even like the Monkees' performances of his tunes.




In the opposite vane, when Fleetwood Mac were making it big, especially during Rumours, I was not much of a fan. I've grown more of a fan over time. All except the Tusk album. No thanks.

 

[SoapyCy]

Used to love Oasis and U2. Now I don't even listen to a whole song if they come on.

I used to hate country and then I found the Turnpike Troubadours and a few Zac Brown Band songs.

 

[cyclones500]

Excuse my delayed response to the thread, I was having connection issues.

The first two bands on my list aren't so much “used to love the music, then got sick of it." Mainly, it was transition in my musical taste.

I’ll post these in separate segments.

First, phase 1, in which Doris gets her oats. (A little in-joke for Beatlemaniacs).

Kiss
My Fanatic Phase: 1975-1978 (some of that was “in-retrospect” — actually more like 1977-79)
Meh Period: Anything from “Unmasked” onward, with a few scattered exceptions.

This was my first “love-to-disinterest” band (and least in real-time). For about an 18-month window, I was a Kiss freak. I happened to fall into the perfect demographic of Kiss-Army-ness. Then, almost as quickly as it came, it went.

My favorite song (live version) that came from the final studio album I purchased (“Love Gun”):




By the time the following song was released, I had moved on, for the most part. This one sounded almost dated when it was new, and it sounds REALLY dated to me now.

 

[cyclones500]

R.E.M.

Fanatic Phase: 1985-1990-ish
Meh Period: 1995 and beyond

I never reached a “dislike” point with R.E.M., it was a slow fade until it didn't sound fresh anymore.

Basically, I have little connection to the last one-third of the group's output. I assume that means I missed some nuggets along the way, but, I’ve just never been motivated enough to dive back into it. I’ve caught stray tracks here & there, but “Monster” was the last album that contains multiple tracks I liked (and still like to some extent).










A random sample from the later period, this one from “Reveal,” three LPs after Monster. The video is unique and certainly "REM-cool," but, without the visual, I’m not sure I’d care much about the song, compared to anything similar from the group's first decade.

 

[cyclones500]

Bumping for early-birds.

 

[jcyclonee]

Styx used to be a favorite. Now, unless it's Come Sail Away, I will turn off any Styx song that comes on. I'm not sure why.

U2 is an odd one to me. They have always been one of my favorite bands but I won't go out of my way to listen to them anymore. It may be that the big U2 fans all treat their concerts as if they are going to a religious experience. That's fine but they talk about U2 concerts a little too much.

On the other end of the spectrum, I'll bring up a whole genre. 90's hip-hop. I did not like it in the 90's but I really enjoy it today.

 

[cyclones500]

Used to love Oasis and U2. Now I don't even listen to a whole song if they come on.

I used to hate country and then I found the Turnpike Troubadours and a few Zac Brown Band songs.

Curious, regarding your love-turned-sour choices: Any specific turning point for you with those bands, or did the music just stop having appeal for no specific reason?

 

[SoapyCy]

Curious, regarding your love-turned-sour choices: Any specific turning point for you with those bands, or did the music just stop having appeal for no specific reason?

I wouldn't say anything turned sour, just that my tastes changed. As I grew into who I am what I wanted in music changed from solely good instrumentation and catchy songs into more emotional songs with deeper meaning. Think Will Hoge, Jason Isbell, Stephen Kellogg, etc. Stripped-down tunes over big productions.

Instead of NPR on my drive today will listen to Oasis and see what it feels like. Will it bring back memories of high school?

 

[Knownothing]

I can't post videos right now. I will later. My list and thank you to the guys who run this for taking my suggestion is as follows

1. AC/DC. I love AC/DC but can hardly listen to it now. It's been sooo overplayed on the radio that the songs just don't have that punch that they used to have for me. I like not listening to a band for 6 months or a year and coming back and listening to the power. Can't do that with them since they are constantly on the radio.

2. Queen. I still like a few Queen songs. However, for some reason it has started to annoy me. Maybe the same reason as AC/DC

People I used to hate and now seem to like

1. Justin Timberlake.. Pretty sure I started to be Ok with him because of Saturday Night Live and my daughter always playing it in my car. Yeah I know kind of strange from a guy who listens to Hatebreed, Rancid, Pennywise, Ramones and the a bunch of other hardcore and punk. Shhhhh Don't tell anyone.

2. Green Day.. I used to hate Green Day. I think it was my younger punk self being against them because they signed with a major label and since I was a punk and hardcore guy I was sooo against that. Now that I am older I really like what they bring to the table. Very good at not always sounding the same

3. Weezer... The guys in the band just annoyed the crap out of me. The whole hipster look. Now I can listen to them and know they are really good at what they do.

 

[MeanDean]

A couple from my college years. Seems like I'd be all about a certain album then kind of lose interest in the act.

This was HUGE on my turntable for about two months. I don't think I've listened to it for 30 years since. Harry Chapin double live album

 

[cycloner29]

I can't post videos right now. I will later. My list and thank you to the guys who run this for taking my suggestion is as follows

1. AC/DC. I love AC/DC but can hardly listen to it now. It's been sooo overplayed on the radio that the songs just don't have that punch that they used to have for me. I like not listening to a band for 6 months or a year and coming back and listening to the power. Can't do that with them since they are constantly on the radio.

2. Queen. I still like a few Queen songs. However, for some reason it has started to annoy me. Maybe the same reason as AC/DC

People I used to hate and now seem to like

1. Justin Timberlake.. Pretty sure I started to be Ok with him because of Saturday Night Live and my daughter always playing it in my car. Yeah I know kind of strange from a guy who listens to Hatebreed, Rancid, Pennywise, Ramones and the a bunch of other hardcore and punk. Shhhhh Don't tell anyone.

2. Green Day.. I used to hate Green Day. I think it was my younger punk self being against them because they signed with a major label and since I was a punk and hardcore guy I was sooo against that. Now that I am older I really like what they bring to the table. Very good at not always sounding the same

3. Weezer... The guys in the band just annoyed the crap out of me. The whole hipster look. Now I can listen to them and know they are really good at what they do.

You are dead to me!!

 

[MeanDean]

Another from college. I loved this album for about 3 months. Then everything seemed a bit too 'drama' 'overdone' for me. I think this was about the time Punk/New Wave was hitting and Queen just seemed a bit too polished and arena-rock for me at the time

 

[Gonzo]

Steve Miller, was never my favorite, but definitely listened and liked. Might've just been the THC in my system during those days, but if I hear his stuff now I don't really know what I liked about it.

Flip side, I never even considered listening to classical music, but now really enjoy Ludovico Einaudi. Brilliant stuff.

 

[Buster28]

...it was a slow fade until it didn't sound fresh anymore.

This quote applies to a lot of stuff for me. Usually when I like something once, I don't get to the point where I hate it. I've frequently thought after hearing a song for the first time in a long time, "what on Earth was I thinking?!" Details later...

 

[cyclones500]

U2 has gotten a couple of mentions, a convenient segue into my first wane-to-wax example.

I like U2's first-decade stuff fine & dandy, but I could live & die without hearing "Sunday Bloody Sunday" or "Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" ever again.

For me, when it comes to discography and career-arc, U2 is almost R.E.M. turned upside-down, U2's notable output from about mid-90s onward has a little more spunk, experimentation, audacity and in many cases sounds more rock-bandish compared to the '80s heyday.

U2 (Bono specifically) has always had an element of pretension, but from Zooropa onward it became kinda "legitimately pretentious."

Push-to-shove, I'd rather list to any of these instead of tracks from "The Joshua Tree" or "Rattle & Hum" period.

 

[Knownothing]

You are dead to me!!

It’s just so overplayed. It’s not that I dislike them as a band. It’s the fact that I can barely listen to a song of theirs and enjoy it anymore. It’s like a long term girlfriend. I still love her but just would rather find something new

 

[oldman]

I'd have to go with Bruce Springsteen, and Dave Matthews. Used to really like them; now not so much. No music examples, sorry.

 

[cyclones500]

I can't post videos right now. I will later. My list and thank you to the guys who run this for taking my suggestion is as follows

1. AC/DC. I love AC/DC but can hardly listen to it now. It's been sooo overplayed on the radio that the songs just don't have that punch that they used to have for me. I like not listening to a band for 6 months or a year and coming back and listening to the power. Can't do that with them since they are constantly on the radio.

2. Queen. I still like a few Queen songs. However, for some reason it has started to annoy me. Maybe the same reason as AC/DC

People I used to hate and now seem to like

1. Justin Timberlake.. Pretty sure I started to be Ok with him because of Saturday Night Live and my daughter always playing it in my car. Yeah I know kind of strange from a guy who listens to Hatebreed, Rancid, Pennywise, Ramones and the a bunch of other hardcore and punk. Shhhhh Don't tell anyone.

2. Green Day.. I used to hate Green Day. I think it was my younger punk self being against them because they signed with a major label and since I was a punk and hardcore guy I was sooo against that. Now that I am older I really like what they bring to the table. Very good at not always sounding the same

3. Weezer... The guys in the band just annoyed the crap out of me. The whole hipster look. Now I can listen to them and know they are really good at what they do.

Since you initiated this topic, I was curious how your list would shake-out.

If this OTN was a massive survey, I wonder how often AC/DC would be cited. Personal perspective, It's consistent and dependable, but at some point reaches a level of monotony or repetition. If I was listening to a random rock mix and an AC/DC song came up, I'd be likely to roll with it. I rarely have a desire to hear a specific track.

 

[Knownothing]

Since you initiated this topic, I was curious how your list would shake-out.

If this OTN was a massive survey, I wonder how often AC/DC would be cited. Personal perspective, It's consistent and dependable, but at some point reaches a level of monotony or repetition. If I was listening to a random rock mix and an AC/DC song came up, I'd be likely to roll with it. I rarely have a desire to hear a specific track.

It’s the overplay of them that kills me. If I could avoid AC/DC for a year and then throw on the back in black album it would probably sound really good and hard hitting.

Btw I used to like Kiss as well but the older I get I really think it’s bad music. The concerts are a good time just for the pyrotechnics. Other than that if Kiss comes on I immediately change it.

 

[madguy30]

Went through a big Ben Harper phaae 10-15 years ago but basically just found more things that were way more interesting and realized how limited he really is.