***Official Baylor postgame thread***

Yeah, he makes all the right plays, and we play like crap when he is off the court. I am rethinking that one a little bit :)

Halliburton is on track with his development, so it's a little bothersome that some people believe he isn't helping when he is out there. Right now, his offensive game is limited to spot up shooting, and while he's damn good at it, defenders know it. But he is a very savvy player in other areas you want to have on the court.

ISU's more experienced guards had a lot of trouble driving the ball deeper than the free throw line last night, and couldn't make a clean pass out of there to an open shooter when they did.
 
It seems like Talley has been playing very well in his limited minutes. Had a great drive for a layup against TCU and a really nice defensive play on Mason last night.

I'd like to see him in the 8-10 minute area. I'm not sure he couldn't be a little better option than THT at times, especially if you have WIgginton and Shayok on the floor. Maybe then you could get TH some more usage as well. I feel like he just constantly deferring to three incredibly high usage guys.
 
I would like to see a better mix of Conditt and lard.. give Jacobson Conditts minutes.. the guy sat on the bench patiently watching the starter get worked every game there is no reason not to be playing him at this point.. just stubbornness.
 
It seemed like to me that on most of the rebounds, we were in a decent position, but for whatever reason just sat flat footed on the floor and didn't jump. The Baylor player would either jump over the top of us, or just go around us for the board. If you at least jump for the boards instead of waiting for them to fall into your lap standing on the ground, the odds of getting a lot more of those boards increases dramatically. Very frustrating because this seems like an effort thing. Our pick and roll defense from the top of the key was HORRIBLE all night. Our defender would get blown by constantly and then the guy rolling to the basket would be wide open too.
 
Halliburton is on track with his development, so it's a little bothersome that some people believe he isn't helping when he is out there. Right now, his offensive game is limited to spot up shooting, and while he's damn good at it, defenders know it. But he is a very savvy player in other areas you want to have on the court.

ISU's more experienced guards had a lot of trouble driving the ball deeper than the free throw line last night, and couldn't make a clean pass out of there to an open shooter when they did.

Halliburton is going to be a first round NBA draft pick in two years. His length and athleticism is going to allow him to be a Big 12 superstar over the next two years and an All-American as a junior. His future really has no ceiling.
 
We don’t have final 4 talent. We have ncaa talent. Some nights we play poorly. Most teams have those nights. Some nights we play great.

According to Bilas, what's keeping us from being a final 4 team is toughness and experience. I tend to agree.
 
You want better defense and you want to run Lewis out there? I think the kid still has potential but let's be real.
Sure, if one is rooted in conceptual or lack of experience issues, while the other is effort based. Perhaps the bench guys get better, or maybe it just sends a message that motivates the top-7.
 
Last night is frustrating because historically we figure out how to win these types of games at Hilton. We shot 50% from two and 34% from three. Not great but when the opponent basically shoots a similar % from 2 & 3- the Clones win those games. Obviously, allowing Baylor 18 offensive rebounds was the reason we lost.

But I think there we a lot of subtle things that showed we weren't aggressive. Our two post guys got 6 rebounds in 40 minutes. We shot 11 free throws. We only committed 3/4 fouls in the 2nd half until we were forced to foul.

If I look at our losses and IMO there are 2 common threads:
  1. We allow the opponent to impose their style of play
  2. We lose focus during key periods of the game offensively. Sure we might get "good" shots, but do we work to get our teammate a "great" shot.
IMO we have the most talent in the league from player 1 to 10- we just need to figure out how to get consistent production. I think CSP needs to be willing to try different things during games. Whether that be players, player combinations or offense/defensive philosophy. Sometimes the unexpected can knock a team out of their comfort zone.
 
So for some perspective, USA Today updated their brackets after yesterday's loss. Coming in we were a 4 seed who would have played Vermont, Villanova and Duke in our first 3 games (if everything held serve). Now we are a 5 seed who would play Florida/NC State, Wisconsin and Tennessee. I'd much rather the latter.
 
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Last night is frustrating because historically we figure out how to win these types of games at Hilton. We shot 50% from two and 34% from three. Not great but when the opponent basically shoots a similar % from 2 & 3- the Clones win those games. Obviously, allowing Baylor 18 offensive rebounds was the reason we lost.

But I think there we a lot of subtle things that showed we weren't aggressive. Our two post guys got 6 rebounds in 40 minutes. We shot 11 free throws. We only committed 3/4 fouls in the 2nd half until we were forced to foul.

If I look at our losses and IMO there are 2 common threads:
  1. We allow the opponent to impose their style of play
  2. We lose focus during key periods of the game offensively. Sure we might get "good" shots, but do we work to get our teammate a "great" shot.
IMO we have the most talent in the league from player 1 to 10- we just need to figure out how to get consistent production. I think CSP needs to be willing to try different things during games. Whether that be players, player combinations or offense/defensive philosophy. Sometimes the unexpected can knock a team out of their comfort zone.

I thought he did that in the second half by sending a second defender out to trap the ballhandler on a ball screen. And it worked, briefly. I think they forced back to back turnovers and then Baylor just sort of figured it out. And thinking about it now, it probably just exacerbated the rebounding problem because everyone was already scrambling on defense and out of position when a shot went up.
 

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