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WerewolveofAmes

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Mind you this is only applicable if the conference system is discontinued in the future.

region 1
Washington
Washington St.
Oregon
Oregon St.
Stanford
California
UCLA
USC

region 2
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Utah
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

region 3
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Arkansas
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas St.
Nebraska
Iowa St.

region 4
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Indiana
Purdue

region 5
Ohio St.
Michigan
Michigan St.
Penn St.
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Rutgers
Boston College
Syracuse

region 6
Texas A&M
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

region 7
Miami
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Clemson
South Carolina
West Virginia

region 8
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Kentucky

-- It would put ISU in a resurrected old Big 8 with Arkansas substituted for Colorado.

-- West Virginia yet again sticks out like a geographical sore thumb and was the hardest to place.

-- It would be helpful if Rutgers would discontinue their awful athletics program so each region could have eight teams.

-- Could easily adapt to a 16, 20 or 24 team playoff with regional champs getting automatic berths and then a committee selects the at-large bids.
 
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WerewolveofAmes said:
Mind you this is only applicable if the conference system is discontinued in the future.

region 1
Washington
Washington St.
Oregon
Oregon St.
Stanford
California
UCLA
USC

region 2
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Utah
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

region 3
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Arkansas
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas St.
Nebraska
Iowa St.

region 4
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Indiana
Purdue

region 5
Ohio St.
Michigan
Michigan St.
Penn St.
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Rutgers
Boston College
Syracuse

region 6
Texas A&M
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

region 7
Miami
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Clemson
South Carolina
West Virginia

region 8
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Kentucky

-- It would put ISU in a resurrected old Big 8 with Arkansas substituted for Colorado.

-- West Virginia yet again sticks out like a geographical sore thumb and was the hardest to place.

-- It would be helpful if Rutgers would discontinue their awful athletics program so each region could have eight teams.

-- Could easily adapt to a 16, 20 or 24 team playoff with regional champs getting automatic berths and then a committee selects the at-large bids.
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You have 9 teams in your region 5 group....8 in all the others. Easy fix is to drop Boston College altogether.
 
Region 7 vs Region 8 is quite the difference for football. Region 4 at least has Notre Dame.

I prefer an 8 team playoff, 16 would still be ok. Beyond that you have certain programs making it every single year and knowing they can lose a couple games and still always skate.

With 4 we already have seasons where a team that looks like #1 after all the games got left out because of politics. I've seen #6 and #5 teams look flawless and NC caliber (TCU, Utah). I have never seen a #9 team that looked to have an NC caliber season and resume, not even close.
 
This is fun to imagine, but I can't see it happening ever. Still fun to imagine.
 
I like this. This is exactly the direction the NCAA has to go IMO, so like someone said, it probably won't ever happen.

The trouble with geographic regions is you still have some REALLY good regions, and others that aren't so good, but you have that now, so it wouldn't be any worse.

I think WV has to be thrown into Pitt's region, or maybe the region with Virginia and VT. Also, if you include Rutgers, shouldn't you have UConn in there too somewhere?

It would be fun to mess around with these and see what people can come up with. Iowa's region is pretty weak with only ND and Wisky (maybe Iowa?) as your top teams. ISU's region isn't too much better with OU, OSU, Ark, Missouri as your best teams.
 
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Fans would love it. Existing conferences would get no money, so they would fight tooth and nail.

I COULD see something like this as possible, if the P5 get together, shuffle the deck some on teams and divisions, and keep all the $$ for themselves by shutting out the NCAA.

Now throw relegation into it, and I am totally in.
 
WerewolveofAmes said:
Mind you this is only applicable if the conference system is discontinued in the future.

region 1
Washington
Washington St.
Oregon
Oregon St.
Stanford
California
UCLA
USC

region 2
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Utah
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

region 3
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Arkansas
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas St.
Nebraska
Iowa St.

region 4
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Indiana
Purdue

region 5
Ohio St.
Michigan
Michigan St.
Penn St.
Pittsburgh
Maryland
Rutgers
Boston College
Syracuse

region 6
Texas A&M
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

region 7
Miami
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Clemson
South Carolina
West Virginia

region 8
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Kentucky

-- It would put ISU in a resurrected old Big 8 with Arkansas substituted for Colorado.

-- West Virginia yet again sticks out like a geographical sore thumb and was the hardest to place.

-- It would be helpful if Rutgers would discontinue their awful athletics program so each region could have eight teams.

-- Could easily adapt to a 16, 20 or 24 team playoff with regional champs getting automatic berths and then a committee selects the at-large bids.
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Although it may not have been your intent, your experiment also makes it possible to keep the full FBS schools and create 8 additional regions.

After Idaho drops to FCS following '17 season, we’ll have 129 FBS — 65 P-5 schools and 64 sub-5’s. Schools moving up from FCS in the future would be accommodated, it simply would increase membership of some regions.

(Brief notes regarding playoff concept follow the regional list.)

Key details/advantages:
1. Less incentive for sub-5 schools to jump to P5, since they’d have higher percentage of getting auto-bid in most seasons compared to landing an at-large (see playoff notes below). However, financial distribution is a consideration, I don’t have a solution; it's outside of my knowledge wheelhouse.
2. For tradition and identity purposes, keep all non-football sports in current conference alliances.

Caveats: A few regional anomalies were required; I’m open to restructuring within this framework. I tried to maintain natural/current association as much as possible, but there are regional outliers — geography skews east and south (hence, westernmost MAC schools placed in “Mountain West North”). Also attempted to keep directional Michigan schools together, as well as Army & Navy, to name 2 examples.

Region numbers are arbitrary, loosely east-to-west (somewhat opposite of the P5 arrangement).
** Denotes geographic outliers

Region 9
Army
Central Michigan

Cincinnati
Eastern Michigan
Navy
Temple
UConn
Western Michigan

Region 10
Appalachian State
East Carolina
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Old Dominion
South Florida
UCF
UMass**

Region 11
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern

Georgia State
Middle Tennessee
South Alabama
Troy
Western Kentucky

Region 12
Akron
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Kent State
Marshall
Miami U.
Ohio

Toledo

Region 13
Houston
Louisiana Tech
Memphis
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
Tulane
Tulsa

Region 14
Arkansas State
North Texas
Texas State
Louisiana
Louisiana Monroe
UAB

UT San Antonio
UTEP

Region 15
Air Force
BYU
Ball State**
Boise State

Colorado State
Northern Illinois**
Utah State
Wyoming

Region 16
Fresno State
Hawai’i
Nevada

New Mexico
New Mexico State

San Diego State

San Jose State

UNLV
(Dropping to FCS: Idaho)

Playoff quickies
24-team playoff
8 auto bids from P5
4 auto bids from sub-5, highest-rated schedules
12 at-large
You could do 8-8-8, but I doubt the power schools would allow it.
I haven’t developed the bracketing and seeding format, I have ideas for it, but I’ll save that for another day.
 
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That would be a not so great fball division for ISU and an incredibly easy one for Iowa. No thanks. OU, Okie st, Arkansas, Nebraska, Mizzouri, Kstate? No thanks.
 
Milton Friedman said "Only a crisis - real or perceived - produces real change." I happened to believe that saying to be truth. So, for fundamental change to occur in this instance, the financial bubble has to pop. Otherwise, forget it. Too many vested interests. Though it's a fun exercise.
 
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That would be a not so great fball division for ISU and an incredibly easy one for Iowa. No thanks. OU, Okie st, Arkansas, Nebraska, Mizzouri, Kstate? No thanks.
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It'd be brutal, for sure. But it's not like we've been killin' it in football most years anyway.

An upside to divisional arrangement, if schools could maintain existing league connections in other sports, the threat of conferences dissolving due to realignment for football purposes is reduced. Big 12 could be toast if OU & Texas leave, but having regions in FB would help stability.
 
Move out Purdue, Northwestern or Indiana and insert Iowa State. We never see Iowa and Iowa State in the same division?

or

IA, IAST, MN, NE, IL, KS, KST, WI?
 
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Move out Purdue, Northwestern or Indiana and insert Iowa State. We never see Iowa and Iowa State in the same division?

or

IA, IAST, MN, NE, IL, KS, KST, WI?
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That would be an extremely weak region right there. Nebraska isn't that good anymore. Would have to get ND in there at least, maybe someone else too.
 
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