Right. I guess my question is, are they actively trying to win the game vs playing basketball/trying not to get injured/getting guys experience, because they know they've got a bigger game next week? I think that's kind of what you're saying too.
Are games rigged?
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Heard a report on the radio about a guy doing a statistical study on calls in football. It by no means proved anything at all, but the numbers for things like pass interference and other calls went heavily in favor of teams whose football program was doing well, or storied, or both. The numbers were high enough that it suggested that perhaps those programs got the benefit of the doubt. Could be a similar thing in college basketball.
Okay, that's your thought. You think the teams that played in Des Moines weren't there because it is driving distance from the Blue Bloods located in that region?
As a blue blood fan it doesn't make much of a difference for you. Like it would regularly for a team like Cincy.
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Heck, you'll see teams resting players and still win with their backups, so I wouldn't say they are throwing the game by any means.
Coaches have to make decisions like that all the time. Do I rush my injured star back to win this game, or save him for the playoffs/NCAA tourney. That's why they make the big bucks and have their job on the line if they make what is perceived to be the wrong call.
For example. This year, if Frank Mason twists an ankle in an opening round win against TCU, would Bill Self be smart to play him less against ISU in the second round? They've likely got a 1 seed regardless. So I could definitely see Bill doing that and hoping to have Mason at 100% in the NCAAs.
I'd be interested to read that study. I think a lot of it is still talent based though, because good players are better at forcing calls. Top WRs use their body and height to force DBs to interfere or give up the big play. It's not a bad call, but the talent of the WR had something to do with it.
No, because the motivation is to do what us best for your team, not to improve the other teams resume. "Letting" someone win means that your actions were taken TO help that team. That's not why those things are happening.
No, they're not rigged - we would have never won at KU earlier this year or the two Big 12 Tournaments in 2014-15 if the games were rigged. Do refs make seriously bad calls and/or give teams like KU and WVU "the benefit of the doubt" way too often, affecting outcome of games? Absolutely.
I think games are rigged, just a gut feeling I have, no real evidence except what I see. However, I will say, things may be getting better. I didn't see near as much evidence this year as I have seen in other years. I am hoping for the best. Last year was one of the worst years I have seen, however. Niang, Monte, none of them could get a foul called, which was a crime considering how good players they are.
The problem I hsve with that is it is a big leap in logic to assume that those calls are made only due to who the schools are. Dont more successful programs typically have better coaches and better athletes?
Whst happens when an excellent wide receiver blows past a mediocre corner? The corner has to commit a penalty or get burned for a TD. What happens when an elite pass rusher goes aainst a mediocre OT? He has to commit a penalty or watch his QB get killed. There are way too many factors involved to simply count up the number of fouls and assume any disparity between great teams and bad teams is due to favoritism.
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Is your post missing a bunch of words because as constructed it doesnt make much sense.
Or when a basketball team gets a free three just because they are "supposed" to win.
Agreed. Although Frank is mule headed and doesnt come out of games without griping
The point still stands that there ate virtually zero tickets left to be sold prior o Selection Sunday so there isn't anything to support Cronin's claim.
I just looked at the ncaa ticket site for the games in Tulsa. There are a max of about 100 tickets available.
If there was a big conspiracy you wouldn't have to keep a 15 year old video clip around to roll out for this argument.
That's just an example of a COMPLETELY BULL **** call that KU got in their favor. There are other, much less egregious infractions.
That one is so bad that non-ISU fans don't believe it actually happened.
Is every selection that goes through, solely for the money? Absolutely not, that would be impossible. But, do you really think that when there are 2 teams up for grabs. Say Kansas and Michigan State for example, have the same exact record and both have the ability to be the 2 seed in Kansas City. They don't choose Kansas over Michigan State in that situation? I am not meaning to say everything done ever is money driven, but saying money doesn't go into some of those selections at all is impossible.
Extremely casual viewer, but I'm coming around to the NBA being rigged around playoffs time. I've seen game 6/7 provides extra revenue of up to $80 million dollars. You add the fact that the last finals was GS vs Cleveland? The NBA couldn't have asked for a better match up from a financial perspective.
Maybe there's just not enough parity in the league
Maybe there's just not enough parity in the league
I wish I could link the actual audio because it's not as if the guy doing this study wasn't aware of that possibility, and he wasn't suggesting that it was only because of bias. Part of the problem with saying its only because of better coaching, etc, was that because the greater numbers were related to storied programs moreso than programs who were simply having a good year.
I don't remember enough of it to provide a substantive argument for it, I didn't do the freakin study. But that was the conclusion this guy came to, that the numbers suggested that, whether purposeful or not, more storied programs with a better history got the benefit of the doubt.
I think the NBA falls under the lack of parity issue. Not a lot of big upsets in their watered down playoffs. Super teams are created and usual do what they are supposed to do and dominate, while the lower teams tank to get better picks in the draft. There's not much incentive to be a middle of the road team.