Cameron Lard Eligible at Semester?

The fact that you would take Hogue at center is actually making Swarthmore's point about crappy big man recruiting

There are different ways to play basketball than just having your short guys as guards and your tall guys as forwards and centers. It's like Hoiball wasn't the best thing ever and never happened around here.
 
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Probably our best team since Hoiberg was here was the Kane, Niang, Ejim year. That team could beat anyone in the country that year. Ejim played our 5 spot.

So does height help? Yeah but it isn't the end all of what makes a good post player.

I won't argue that Hoiberg's recruiting of post players outside of McKay on the later half of his time here was laughable in how bad it was and how it has really hampered the team since his departure.
 
Like blue blood? I say this all of the time but I'd rather be elite at one thing than decent at a bunch of things. If that one thing is having great guard play every year I'll take it. I just get so tired of feeling like people want us to be the 1987 Iowa Hawkeyes all of the time. Or maybe the '92 Clones. It's so Iowan/midwestern that basketball fans haven't caught up to the fact that this is a post-center world for 90% of CBB teams.

I'm not upset that we can't get a true center or a 6-10 PF every year what upsets me is that we haven't put pen to paper on a definitive style so far this season. I don't know who this team is and I'm hoping it's going to evolve in to a run and chuck team soon or we'll go down trying to be a 30 seconds of defense team and that doesn't work.
You are your false dilemma.

I don't fault Prohm too much, but we must do better in recruiting and developing big men if we want to be a consistent threat at more than just making the tournament.
 
Probably our best team since Hoiberg was here was the Kane, Niang, Ejim year. That team could beat anyone in the country that year. Ejim played our 5 spot.

So does height help? Yeah but it isn't the end all of what makes a good post player.

I won't argue that Hoiberg's recruiting of post players outside of McKay on the later half of his time here was laughable in how bad it was and how it has really hampered the team since his departure.

No, Ejim played the 3, Hogue the 4 and Niang the 5.
 
Probably our best team since Hoiberg was here was the Kane, Niang, Ejim year. That team could beat anyone in the country that year. Ejim played our 5 spot.

So does height help? Yeah but it isn't the end all of what makes a good post player.

I won't argue that Hoiberg's recruiting of post players outside of McKay on the later half of his time here was laughable in how bad it was and how it has really hampered the team since his departure.

Or he wasn't just going to take a plodder that couldn't do anything to help his offense. Why waste a scholly on a plodder that can't shoot or get down the court fast enough to catch a lob in transition? Hoiberg got the TYPE of player he wanted, just didn't get THE player that he wanted every time.
 
Or he wasn't just going to take a plodder that couldn't do anything to help his offense. Why waste a scholly on a plodder that can't shoot or get down the court fast enough to catch a lob in transition? Hoiberg got the TYPE of player he wanted, just didn't get THE player that he wanted every time.
False dilemma, try again
 
McKay and Burton both played a half year at Marquette and were allowed to finish that year of eligibility by playing a year a year and a half at ISU. Does that mean Lard would be able to play half a season in 4 years if he played now? Also would we be able to pick which semester he played?
 
Or he wasn't just going to take a plodder that couldn't do anything to help his offense. Why waste a scholly on a plodder that can't shoot or get down the court fast enough to catch a lob in transition? Hoiberg got the TYPE of player he wanted, just didn't get THE player that he wanted every time.
I'd agree there. I wouldn't take a kid who is just gonna take up a seat on the bench.

But he gave up recruiting HS kids. We were rolling after the Kane year and our first Sweet 16. And what did we do after? We missed on Reid Travis, Abdul Malik Abu, then stopped contacting Marvin Clark. Then he went all in on Diallo and whiffed it.

I certainly think there were guys out to get but Fred was playing with fire not making a better effort on getting long term solutions in the post. My 2 cents.
 
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Like blue blood? I say this all of the time but I'd rather be elite at one thing than decent at a bunch of things. If that one thing is having great guard play every year I'll take it. I just get so tired of feeling like people want us to be the 1987 Iowa Hawkeyes all of the time. Or maybe the '92 Clones. It's so Iowan/midwestern that basketball fans haven't caught up to the fact that this is a post-center world for 90% of CBB teams.

I'm not upset that we can't get a true center or a 6-10 PF every year what upsets me is that we haven't put pen to paper on a definitive style so far this season. I don't know who this team is and I'm hoping it's going to evolve in to a run and chuck team soon or we'll go down trying to be a 30 seconds of defense team and that doesn't work.

Isn't Prohm known for having/developing really good guards at Murray State?

Agree that at this stage it's find one or two things and ride that. I hold the same philosophy with ISU football--be really good on the line and have everything else be functional.

The only ISU team at the level of being successful from being good at many things was 99-00 IIRC. Everyone could handle, everyone was a legit threat from many spots, and everyone could defend.

The '13-14 team was certainly capable of playing with/beating anyone, but the Sweet Sixteen field that year was made up of teams that could say the same thing.

I watched Louisville-Kentucky a bit last night. Just eyeballing it, there's a clear cut difference between a team like ISU and them at pretty much every position.
 
McKay and Burton both played a half year at Marquette and were allowed to finish that year of eligibility by playing a year a year and a half at ISU. Does that mean Lard would be able to play half a season in 4 years if he played now? Also would we be able to pick which semester he played?

All sorts of wrong in this post.
 
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I said big men, not small forwards that did great in a small ball game. You're fooling yourself if you think our biggest weakness the past 6+ seasons hasn't been recruitment and development of big men. Championship level teams have many different types of assets, and that aspect of the game has been our biggest weakest in comparison to the programs at the next level. McKay was only one guy over how many years? It's really too bad we missed on him out of IHCC and filled up early with Edozie over Armardi. But hey, if Edozie wasn't better he wouldn't have been here.

Welcome to every program not named Duke, UNC, Kentucky or Kansas. I really don't consider our lack of true "big men" over the last several years a problem. We haven't had many/any good 6'10" or bigger guys because they are extremely rare.

There are very few players I would have rather had than Ejim and pretty much no one I would have rather had than Niang.
 
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No Niang played the 5, Ejim played the 4 and Hogue played the 3.

Not that it really matters because they're both similar players... big wings/ undersized 4's, but I remember it being discussed that Ejim was moving to the 3 to make room for Hogue and because he played the 3 on the Canadian team.

Then it was also discussed that moving out to the 3 was the reason for Hogue's drop off in rebounding. He moved out to accommodate McKay into the line up (the year after Ejim).
 
Welcome to every program not named Duke, UNC, Kentucky or Kansas. I really don't consider our lack of true "big men" over the last several years a problem. We haven't had many/any good 6'10" or bigger guys because they are extremely rare.

There are very few players I would have rather had than Ejim and pretty much no one I would have rather had than Niang.
Think we just lack rim protection and rebounding this year. Considering how many points in the paint mvsu put on us.
 
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Not that it really matters because they're both similar players... big wings/ undersized 4's, but I remember it being discussed that Ejim was moving to the 3 to make room for Hogue and because he played the 3 on the Canadian team.

Then it was also discussed that moving out to the 3 was the reason for Hogue's drop off in rebounding. He moved out to accommodate McKay into the line up (the year after Ejim).

I was just joking around. I don't think the positions really mattered on that team, at least not on offense.
 
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