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Unflawful Termination

CyGuy33 said:
ESPN - In grievance, union says Astros terminated Chacon without just cause - MLB

I guess throwing your boss to the ground by the neck isn't grounds for dismissal.
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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you peope do that all the time.[/FONT]
 
superdorf said:
[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you peope do that all the time.[/FONT]
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That is one of my favorite episodes of Sienfeld. If I had some rep left to give out today you would get it.
 
superdorf said:
[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you peope do that all the time.[/FONT]
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excellent post. Top notch.
 
I actually talked to a friend that witnessed it. Not only was it totally overblown but it was the GM that was totally out of line. He baited and baited Shawn. The Astros clubhouse is not a pretty place to be. The only reason the union filed is because the Astros are trying to get out of the half a year they still owe him. Contracts in baseball are guaranteed, no getting out of that...
 
cybsball20 said:
I actually talked to a friend that witnessed it. Not only was it totally overblown but it was the GM that was totally out of line. He baited and baited Shawn. The Astros clubhouse is not a pretty place to be. The only reason the union filed is because the Astros are trying to get out of the half a year they still owe him. Contracts in baseball are guaranteed, no getting out of that...
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Its too bad if what your friend saw is true, but Chacon should know better.

I'm sure someone will give him a chance to redeem himself, and I hope he does.
 
cybsball20 said:
I actually talked to a friend that witnessed it. Not only was it totally overblown but it was the GM that was totally out of line. He baited and baited Shawn. The Astros clubhouse is not a pretty place to be. The only reason the union filed is because the Astros are trying to get out of the half a year they still owe him. Contracts in baseball are guaranteed, no getting out of that...
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I wasn't there so I won't disagree with your statement and thanks for the info.

But since I now work in the real world and not in sports, I can say that if I were to toss my boss to the ground I would be fired and it would be lawful.

If that didn't happen I am sure we will find out about it.
 
cybsball20 said:
You haven't seen alot of Astros players with alot of bad to say about Chacon, have you?
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I haven't heard alot of Red Sox players say anything bad about Manny either.

Just play devils advocate here. I did here Chacon's version of things and if it's the way he said it happened I still am not sure if that is excusable. If my boss came to my desk and yelled at me, I asked him to quite, he continued, I asked him again, I wouldn't be able to act like Chacon did. I'd have to walk away and go above him to get the situation resolved.

I understand in College and Pro sports things are complete different however.
 
CyGuy33 said:
In Major League Baseball that is not a reason to terminate your contract, just ask Carl Pavano.
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And if Chacon had a contract the size of Pavano's, he wouldn't have been let go like that either.
 
CyGuy33 said:
I haven't heard alot of Red Sox players say anything bad about Manny either.

Just play devils advocate here. I did here Chacon's version of things and if it's the way he said it happened I still am not sure if that is excusable. If my boss came to my desk and yelled at me, I asked him to quite, he continued, I asked him again, I wouldn't be able to act like Chacon did. I'd have to walk away and go above him to get the situation resolved.

I understand in College and Pro sports things are complete different however.
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Lets say your boss called you out in the middle of a meeting, got in your face, then pushed you to the side and called you a POS??

mwitt said:
What about the fact that he was bad at his job this year?
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It doesn't matter, a guranteed contract is just that, guaranteed. IF the move to the pen had to do with his preformance that would be one thing, but it wasn't, they moved him to save money because he was on pace to hit bonuses on innings and strikeouts that the GM didn't want to pay.
 
cybsball20 said:
Lets say your boss called you out in the middle of a meeting, got in your face, then pushed you to the side and called you a POS??



It doesn't matter, a guranteed contract is just that, guaranteed. IF the move to the pen had to do with his preformance that would be one thing, but it wasn't, they moved him to save money because he was on pace to hit bonuses on innings and strikeouts that the GM didn't want to pay.
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I've been called out in meetings infront of co-workers, I wasn't pushed and I've been called names, still can't throw the boss to the ground and expect to keep my job.

I didn't know about the innings and K's bonus. Intersting. I'm sure that wasn't sitting well with him
 
cybsball20 said:
It doesn't matter, a guranteed contract is just that, guaranteed. IF the move to the pen had to do with his preformance that would be one thing, but it wasn't, they moved him to save money because he was on pace to hit bonuses on innings and strikeouts that the GM didn't want to pay.
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I'm not talking about him not getting his money. I understand that. Unless there's more to the story, he should get it.
 
superdorf said:
[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you peope do that all the time.[/FONT]
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That's gold Jerry. Gold!
 
cybsball20 said:
I actually talked to a friend that witnessed it. Not only was it totally overblown but it was the GM that was totally out of line. He baited and baited Shawn. The Astros clubhouse is not a pretty place to be. The only reason the union filed is because the Astros are trying to get out of the half a year they still owe him. Contracts in baseball are guaranteed, no getting out of that...
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I love the random "i talked to a guy who was there" and that makes me an expert. Very credible on an internet message board. Slightly better than I know a guy who's brother was there but not terribly convincing. Please enlighten us with the name of the guy who was there, and how you know him so we might be able to put some stock in your expertise. In the explanation and complete story that most have heard him give does he say anything about being pushed or being called names? The Union filed because that's what they do. if they don't they get sued for violating their duty of fair representation, then the member ends up owning their assets. it's cheaper to arbitrate than to risk one loss on a DFR claim. they don't put any thought into whether the grievance has merit, if it's at least arguable that it does, they file it. Arbitration is a crap shoot. If they lose, so be it. At least they tried. If they win, then great. If you think that they filed this for any other reason than that, you didn't sleep at a holiday inn express last night. But maybe the guy that witnessed it did.
 
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