On to Football Season

[Gonzo]

congrats. You were 0-2 in games that mattered the most

Tough losses. But 12-2 and #9 is a decent consolation. Looking forward to another hopefully top-10 season.

You watch any ISU games last year, or just sit on the edge of your chair praying for Iowa losses?

 

[Gonzo]

To be fair they won their most important game. Still can't believe Beathard escaped that safety

That was a nice win. Wouldn't say it was a historic, miracle-type, "court storm"... er, "field storm for the ages" kind of win, but a nice two-score win.

And I will say that strike Sam threw to Dez was right on the mark. Perfect out route.

 

[CySoup]

Yes, way to slide in MSU though since that wasn't a regular season game.

ISU wins more than 3 games last year if they had Iowa's schedule. Even the biggest Hawk trolls on here will admit that. So yes there is a difference and it makes a big deal who is on your schedule. It's not just top 25 teams either, there's a difference between playing West Virginia and playing Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois and Maryland. Sagarin had us as a better team than Indiana and they made a bowl game because of their schedule.

You do realize in the last 3 years we are 4-23 in the Big12 right? Our wins have come against teams with a combined record of 12-36 (.25 winning %). What makes you think would be winning games in any other P5 conference? Heck we have beaten two teams NOT named Kansas in the last 3 years in the Big12 and are 1-2 vs FCS in the last 3 years.

You are crazy if you actually think that ISU would be some good team or even an average team in any other P5 conference, this has nothing to do with the BigTen

 

[CySoup]

When has there been 6 or 7 teams in the Big 12 not good enough to be in the top 25?

2015 the following teams did not finish ranked in the CFP top 25:
WVU, Tech, Texas, K-State, ISU, Kansas (6 teams)

2014 the following teams did not finish in the CFP top 25
OU, OSU, WVU, Tech, Texas, ISU, Kansas (7 teams)

You don't have to go back very far, my statement is a true statement.

 

[CySoup]

CySoup has to be a Section Alt of some sort

Who is section?

See Ribs, I can do that too.

 

[CyTwins]

You do realize in the last 3 years we are 4-23 in the Big12 right? Our wins have come against teams with a combined record of 12-36 (.25 winning %). What makes you think would be winning games in any other P5 conference? Heck we have beaten two teams NOT named Kansas in the last 3 years in the Big12 and are 1-2 vs FCS in the last 3 years.

You are crazy if you actually think that ISU would be some good team or even an average team in any other P5 conference, this has nothing to do with the BigTen

You think we wouldn't have won more games with Iowa's schedule? Sagarin is unbiased, has Iowa State as a better team than Indiana, and Indiana made a bowl game with a Big Ten schedule

 

[CySoup]

You think we wouldn't have won more games with Iowa's schedule? Sagarin is unbiased, has Iowa State as a better team than Indiana, and Indiana made a bowl game with a Big Ten schedule

Indiana won 2 conference games just like ISU. ISU wouldn't have done any better in BigTen play than Indiana.

You are talking about non conference schedules, I am talking about playing P5 conference football. Heck we could have made a bowl game playing Baylor or Oklahoma St. schedule. (5 wins would have gotten a bowl game for us).

 

[CyTwins]

Indiana won 2 conference games just like ISU. ISU wouldn't have done any better in BigTen play than Indiana.

You are talking about non conference schedules, I am talking about playing P5 conference football. Heck we could have made a bowl game playing Baylor or Oklahoma St. schedule. (5 wins would have gotten a bowl game for us).

So you think Iowa State wins 3 games with Iowa's schedule?

 

[CySoup]

So you think Iowa State wins 3 games with Iowa's schedule?

No, I said I think they win 5 games playing Baylor and OSU's schedule. They probably win 4 or 5 playing Iowa's schedule:

Ill. St.
N. Texas
Purdue
1 or 2 of the following (Indiana, Ill., Maryland).

4 or 5 wins tough to say. Yet I am 95% confident we would beat the 6 cupcakes that Baylor and OSU's non conference teams they played. So we go bowling playing 2 of the top teams in the Big12 schedule.

 

[CyTwins]

No, I said I think they win 5 games playing Baylor and OSU's schedule. They probably win 4 or 5 playing Iowa's schedule:

Ill. St.
N. Texas
Purdue
1 or 2 of the following (Indiana, Ill., Maryland).

4 or 5 wins tough to say. Yet I am 95% confident we would beat the 6 cupcakes that Baylor and OSU's non conference teams they played. So we go bowling playing 2 of the top teams in the Big12 schedule.

So SOS does matter now. Thank you

 

[CyTwins]

According to Sagarin Iowa State wins these games:

Illinios State
North Texas
Illinois
Maryland
Minnesota
Purdue

That's giving ISU a loss to Indiana because it's at Indiana. You're so sure we'd beat a cupcake like Central Michigan (Oklahoma State opponent) but don't even count Maryland or Purdue as for sure wins when Central Michigan was better than both. Even UNI was better than Purdue

 

[CySoup]

So SOS does matter now. Thank you

Where did I say SOS doesn't matter? I said ISU would have gone bowling playing Baylor and OSU schedule (2 of the top Big12 teams). ISU would have won 4 or 5 games playing Iowa schedule (harder to be for sure on W/L, since we didn't play all those BigTen teams). Do we crap the bed vs a Maryland for instance like we did vs K-State, or do we pull out a win?

Either way to dolts who think it is a function of conference, they are wrong. We could win 5 games every year if we scheduled like Baylor or OSU, it has nothing to do with Big12 or BigTen or ACC or SEC or Pac12

 

[CyTwins]

Where did I say SOS doesn't matter? I said ISU would have gone bowling playing Baylor and OSU schedule (2 of the top Big12 teams). ISU would have won 4 or 5 games playing Iowa schedule (harder to be for sure on W/L, since we didn't play all those BigTen teams). Do we crap the bed vs a Maryland for instance like we did vs K-State, or do we pull out a win?

Either way to dolts who think it is a function of conference, they are wrong. We could win 5 games every year if we scheduled like Baylor or OSU, it has nothing to do with Big12 or BigTen or ACC or SEC or Pac12

There's a big difference than winning 2 conference games like ISU did in the Big 12 or winning 4 or 5 conference games with a Big 10 schedule like Iowa's.

 

[CySoup]

According to Sagarin Iowa State wins these games:

Illinios State
North Texas
Illinois
Maryland
Minnesota
Purdue

That's giving ISU a loss to Indiana because it's at Indiana. You're so sure we'd beat a cupcake like Central Michigan (Oklahoma State opponent) but don't even count Maryland or Purdue as for sure wins when Central Michigan was better than both. Even UNI was better than Purdue

LOL, so Sagarin SOS now determines who W's and L's?

Why do you care so much what I think ISU would do vs Iowa's schedule? You or I simply have no idea how it would play out. Heck going into the season I felt we had a 6 win team, and we ended up winning 3 games. There is no reason that we lose to Toledo, there is no reason we crap the K-State down our leg, there is no reason we can't beat Iowa at home. Yet we lost all 3 of those, and you are trying to pretend that we somehow beat all 6 of those teams vs Iowa's schedule? Why, because that makes you feel better about our 3 win season?

It is beyond stupid the lengths some go to make excuses for our crap season/seasons.

 

[CySoup]

There's a big difference than winning 2 conference games like ISU did in the Big 12 or winning 4 or 5 conference games with a Big 10 schedule like Iowa's.

I would assume that we should have been 3-0 vs FCS teams over the last 3 years at home, but we are 1-2. Yet you want me to presume that we win 4 of 4 vs P5 teams with 1/2 of those being on the road?

 

[CyTwins]

LOL, so Sagarin SOS now determines who W's and L's?

Why do you care so much what I think ISU would do vs Iowa's schedule? You or I simply have no idea how it would play out. Heck going into the season I felt we had a 6 win team, and we ended up winning 3 games. There is no reason that we lose to Toledo, there is no reason we crap the K-State down our leg, there is no reason we can't beat Iowa at home. Yet we lost all 3 of those. Yet you are trying to pretend that we somehow beat all 6 of those teams vs Iowa's schedule? Why, because that makes you feel better about our 3 win season?

It is beyond stupid the lengths some go to make excuses for our crap season/seasons.

Toledo would have been the second best team on Iowa's regular season schedule but you're right, all P5 conference schedules are created equal

 

[carvers4math]

These Hawk trolls who pretend to be Cyclone or Badger/Cyclone fans are the worst. Makes me miss Dan all the more.

 

[CyTwins]

These Hawk trolls who pretend to be Cyclone or Badger/Cyclone fans are the worst. Makes me miss Dan all the more.

I swear a mod outed Soup for being a previous Hawk troll but I can't remember what his old username was.

 

[carvers4math]

I swear a mod outed Soup for being a previous Hawk troll but I can't remember what his old username was.

We need some kind of sticky thread in in-state rivals listing the troll and the various name incarnations.

 

[klamath632]

Obviously schedules are different. I just get tired of the crutch that many use around here on SOS..

Because of imbalanced schedules teams get easy draws (Iowa last year played 3 top 25 teams in BigTen Northwestern, Wisconsin and MSU) and teams get tough draws (Maryland last year played 5 top 25 teams in BigTen play OSU, MSU, Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin).

We played 4 top 25 teams in Big12 play. 1 more than Iowa, 1 less than Maryland. Is it really that much different? OSU, OU, Baylor and TCU all faced only 3 top 25 teams in Big12 play, did they play in a cup cake conference if you look at it that way?

All I'm saying is the beating of the chest about playing in the Big12 is just a big Trojan horse. For some reason it makes lots of people feel good on this site, and I don't get it at all.

I don't pound my chest about SOS, but you do realize that "Top 20" or "Top 25" doesn't mean good, right? I mean, Northwestern was in the Top 20. It just means you won some games.

You're much better off talking about the games you played against the Sagarin Top 20. Those rankings actually mean something other than getting wins from easy teams.