**** THESE REFS

[WalkingCY]

It's thankfully been a while since I really noticed the refs in a game and felt they had an impact. They were calling touch fouls on our end all night (some of them weren't even touched). When the whistle comes at the moment the shot goes up, that's an anticipation whistle. I ******* hate that. That block off the backboard goaltending was referee 101. That should be called every time.

Agree. Hate blaming the officials, but they absolutely cost ISU the game. The goal tending truly cost ISU the game. ******** that they didn't call that.

The season is far from over, Tech was lucky and played out of their minds. Move on and beat Texas. McKay.... your team needs you. Go Cyclones!

 

[WalkingCY]

Surprised no one has brought up stopping a 3 on 2 break to adjust the shot clock. We would have shot in 3 seconds, and if not, stop the game then.

I get missed calls, but I can't imagine they're supposed to do stop a play in progress for a ~25 sec shot clock.

I was fuming at that one. Also thought, "that's a new one." Classic Big 12 **** job.

 

[3TrueFans]

I don't think you can look at any one play over the course of a 40 minute game and say that play specifically cost a team the game. Many different plays made and missed by both teams and the refs determine who wins and loses. You could just as easily say we win if Monte makes the steal before the banked 3 we win, or if Georges hits the front end of his 1 and 1, or Nader doesn't commit an intentional foul, etc. etc.

 

[OldnWise]

Agree that the officiating was bad but it's always easy to go off when the other team is the benefactor and not you. Many team related gaffs to blame this one on as well. Every team in the country has a game like this that they want to lay entirely on the refs. Not that many years ago an obvious ISU charging foul against Kansas late in the game that wasn't called and it was accepted as no big deal on the board. Hard to swallow but have to move on, go get next one.

 

[ca4cy]

I don't think you can look at any one play over the course of a 40 minute game and say that play specifically cost a team the game. Many different plays made and missed by both teams and the refs determine who wins and loses. You could just as easily say we win if Monte makes the steal before the banked 3 we win, or if Georges hits the front end of his 1 and 1, or Nader doesn't commit an intentional foul, etc. etc.

Well Monte probably gets the steal before the 3 if he isn't mugged. I almost never hang the outcome of a game on the refs and we had our chances to close it out last night but there is way too much incriminating evidence to not at least factor the officials as part of last night's result. They were awful both ways but they were decidedly worse against ISU.

The goaltend was the most obvious call but the early touch fouls on Niang and the clean blocks that were called on Nader took away a lot of minutes where we could have used them on the floor and limited their effectiveness when they were out there. How many and 1s did Tech get where there was nothing? Those calls were just as important and just as bad. As others have said, these refs were anticipating fouls. Drives me nuts.

 

[ruxCYtable]

I'm not normally one to bang on the refs but these guys were bad. I felt they penalized legal defense all night. Several times I felt our defenders had beaten the offensive player to the spot, were straight up or even retreating and got called for blocks when offensive players barreled into them. Those either have to be a no-call or an offensive foul. (Would have been fine with no-calls in these situations last night.)

The missed goaltend was horrid and their player absolutely traveled before his ridiculous banked-in three. You see that play in girls basketball a lot, we call it a "bunny hop." Normally if it is close I will give a player the benefit of the doubt that he was still in the process of securing the ball. I didn't feel that was the case this time. He clearly secured the ball and hopped backwards. Travel.

The Cyclones STILL should have put this team away but they certainly didn't get any help.

 

[kentkel]

Yes, there were some boneheaded plays during the game but, I actually felt our guys played well enough to win. If we played the way we did against OSU (especially in the 1st half of that game), then I wouldn't be so upset about the reffing, and I'd be complaining more about our guys not being "ready" to play. But, for this game, the evidence is in the stats -- look at the number of fouls on us vs TT. Nader gets a 3rd foul on a clean block; Niang picks up his 3rd (or 4th?) while AVOIDING a foul, and another one that should have been called on Matt (The ref called a PUSH - even motioned that call with his hands- so how do you call a push against a player who had both hands up - Matt was the one who pushed, not Niang). Those two fouls kept Georges off the floor for extended minutes, and Nader also had to sit due to fouls.

TT played out of their minds, but also were the beneficiaries of quick whistles and two HORRENDOUS calls (goaltending and stoppage of play when we had a 3 on 2 break). In an OT game that was decided by only 3 points, I think one can rationally draw the conclusion that the Refs contributed greatly to Tech's upset.

 

[Dingus]

Refs seem to be calling more travels, but only when players are starting a drive. How come they still never call the slow, pick up the pivot foot travels? They seem like the easy ones after all.

Burton got called for a travel (which was correct), but the very next play Alex Smith catches the ball at the top, pivots around, and clearly picks up his pivot foot and then passes, and nothing is called.

 

[ruxCYtable]

The missed goaltend was literally the definition of a goaltend. I'm not sure how many times I've heard an announcer say "once it hits the backboard, you have to leave it alone".

That WAS a goaltend, however, I'd caution you against acquiring rules knowledge from TV announcers. At least once a game I hear a comment from them that is blatantly incorrect.

Refs seem to be calling more travels, but only when players are starting a drive. How come they still never call the slow, pick up the pivot foot travels? They seem like the easy ones after all.

Burton got called for a travel (which was correct), but the very next play Alex Smith catches the ball at the top, pivots around, and clearly picks up his pivot foot and then passes, and nothing is called.

What you just described is actually not a travel. You can pick up your pivot foot to pass or shoot, but not to start a dribble. It would be a travel if his pivot foot came back to the floor.

 

[Miniclone11]

I don't think you can look at any one play over the course of a 40 minute game and say that play specifically cost a team the game. Many different plays made and missed by both teams and the refs determine who wins and loses. You could just as easily say we win if Monte makes the steal before the banked 3 we win, or if Georges hits the front end of his 1 and 1, or Nader doesn't commit an intentional foul, etc. etc.

Yeah, of course that's the case. But that's on the players. The refs took away points from us in the game. As a player, you can't do anything to change that. It cost us the game.

 

[wonkadog]

As for missing the goaltend, the refs are supposed to be watching the players when a shot goes up and looking for shoves on the rebound, etc. That's the only way I can see where somehow they were all 3 looking at players underneath and not up at the ball (which they aren't supposed to be watching on shots). I'm sure someone is designated to get goaltending in NCAA so he screwed up on that one.

As others said, just inconsistent crap all night long. Anyone love that "he almost touched him" hand check they called on Ashton late in the game? I went back and looked, absolutely no contact, just making crap up.

 

[3TrueFans]

Yeah, of course that's the case. But that's on the players. The refs took away points from us in the game. As a player, you can't do anything to change that. It cost us the game.

The refs are a part of the game just like the players.

 

[wonkadog]

Yeah, of course that's the case. But that's on the players. The refs took away points from us in the game. As a player, you can't do anything to change that. It cost us the game.

You're wasting your breath arguing with 3true on this subject, trust me.

 

[Miniclone11]

The refs are a part of the game just like the players.

No way.

But just like you can criticize a players performance, you can do the same with refs. Only difference is, you can determine how you play or how you defend. You can't change a goaltending no call.

 

[Miniclone11]

You're wasting your breath arguing with 3true on this subject, trust me.

He must be an intramural ref.

 

[chadly82]

I am in the crowd of saying this is on ISU for not putting it away and getting 1 more stop when they were up 9....then back down to 2 in a hurry. We didnt get crucial rebounds....now had we done that the officials calling non stop BS fouls might not have been a factor. They were god awful and that non call on the goal tend was so crucial and part of a 5 point swing not to mention their constant whistleblowing keeping Burton out of the game most of the first half. Most people dont even take into consideration when they make BS calls how much time our best players had to sit ......but EFF those officials it was bad.

 

[randomfan44]

This is ridiculous. I don't like blaming refs, but that is the only reason they are in this game and have a chance to win. Eff the big12.

Niang got a few very favorable calls that could have been called offensive fouls as well. The missed goal tend was a bad call but it didn't cost ISU the game.

 

[Miniclone11]

Niang got a few very favorable calls that could have been called offensive fouls as well. The missed goal tend was a bad call but it didn't cost ISU the game.

We beat Kansas. Not sure what you mean

 

[State43]

Niang got a few very favorable calls that could have been called offensive fouls as well. The missed goal tend was a bad call but it didn't cost ISU the game.

After blown calls against him too. We didn't get any contact fouls inside hardly at all and there was plenty to choose from

 

[rochclone]

Niang got a few very favorable calls that could have been called offensive fouls as well. The missed goal tend was a bad call but it didn't cost ISU the game.

The missed goal tend was a major call at a time when Iowa State was running on fumes. It is one call in an entire game but it was a major missed call at a pivotal point. The bigger issue is the Big 12 continuing to allow Mike Stewart to call conference games given his incompetence on the floor (see the Texas v. Oklahoma game from Monday night) and his ability to control his officiating crew. Stewart entire goal is to antagonize players and coaching so he can give them a T. (See Kevin Ollie from last year and Shaka Smart on Monday when Stewart approached the Longhorn huddle to engage in the argument rather than walking away after he called the pushoff on Taylor). People like to give Higgins crap but often time him and Sermons are having to make up for their incompetent partners. Stewart is an incompetent bully and the Big 12 needs to remove him from their crews.