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Lets compare us to last year,
2014-15 2015-16
2 non-conference losses, 1 loss
Lost to Baylor at home, same
Lost to oklahoma on the road, same
3 seed, unknown
Were fine
There are two types of fans here. The ones that are concerned were expecting the team to compete for a regular season league title/final 4. If you have these level expectations, (like I did) you are going to be concerned, as there are some red and yellow flags.
If you have the expectation of finishing 2-4 in the B12, and a making a run in the dance to say, sweet 16, then indeed, relax.
There are two types of fans here. The ones that are concerned were expecting the team to compete for a regular season league title/final 4. If you have these level expectations, (like I did) you are going to be concerned, as there are some red and yellow flags. If you have the expectation of finishing 2-4 in the B12, and a making a run in the dance to say, sweet 16, then indeed, relax.
I know the term "depth" is like a curse word around here, but it is a valid issue. This team is getting tired at the end of games (Oklahoma, Baylor). The other one is they don't seem to have that killer instinct, but again.... There's that pesky word again, "depth," as when they get up, they do relax to conserve energy. A 7 man rotation can and does work, but those 7 players better be having a pretty even split of minutes. That's not the case here.
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[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]GP[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]MIN[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]PPG[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RPG[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]APG[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]SPG[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]BPG[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]TPG[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]FG%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]FT%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3P%[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]Monte Morris[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]35.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].512[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].639[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].333[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: evenrow player-41-66170"]
[TD]Jameel McKay[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]32.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].588[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].577[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: oddrow player-41-61212"]
[TD]Georges Niang[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]31.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].542[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].836[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].397[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: evenrow player-41-61211"]
[TD]Nazareth Mitrou-Long
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]31.6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].425[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].600[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].291[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: oddrow player-41-57136"]
[TD]Abdel Nader[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]29.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].477[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].829[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].260[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: evenrow player-41-66147"]
[TD]Matt Thomas[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]29.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].397[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].800[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].420[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: oddrow player-41-66167"]
[TD]Deonte Burton[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]16.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].579[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].545[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].583[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: evenrow player-41-66213"]
[TD]Hallice Cooke[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]13.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].404[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].625[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].324[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Lets compare us to last year,
2014-15 2015-16
2 non-conference losses, 1 loss
Lost to Baylor at home, same
Lost to oklahoma on the road, same
3 seed, unknown
Were fine
I'm kind of in the middle of that- I did expect to compete for the Big 12 championship, but more importantly, for a deep run in the tournament. The first one is off to a rough start (but not yet impossible), but the second is fine. Just need to finish strong, as seeding is important in making a run.
Yikes...this is a team with a guy that can be the National Player of the year (Niang), one of the top PGs in the country (Morris) and a guy that is supposed to be a rim protector (McKay) and this is what we have sunk to. This was supposed to be ISU's year. I am resigned to the fact that the Big 12 regular season title is probably out of reach now. But 5th? This is so Iowa State...Expectations need to change. When Naz went down, ISU went to 7 Big12 caliber players. Like Herb says, Cooke and Burton need to be playing closer to 20 min / game to allow MM, McKat, Georges to have the energy to close out a game.
ISU will be a tourney team, just not a top seed and not a "favorite" to make it to Houston. However, I don't mind this team showing up as a 6 seed and "flying" under the radar. If they can get things to click, they may be one of the most dangerous teams to face.
I think we just need to realize that ISU is not going to win the conference and may finish around 5th.
Yikes...this is a team with a guy that can be the National Player of the year (Niang), one of the top PGs in the country (Morris) and a guy that is supposed to be a rim protector (McKay) and this is what we have sunk to. This was supposed to be ISU's year. I am resigned to the fact that the Big 12 regular season title is probably out of reach now. But 5th? This is so Iowa State...
I realize Hoiberg left us in a bad spot but we still have talent and should be able to be 12-6 in conference. If we pee these games down our legs this week, lock the doors because bad things will happen the rest of the season for these guys. Hopefully they decide to play some defense and maybe send more than a couple of guys half heartedly for offensive rebounds.
What scares me is the "depth" issues root now, but flower late in the season as fatigue takes its toll.
With another OU game and KU game in Hilton in next two weeks, our conference fate may be determined if good or bad.Except it's now been shortened to the conference season and this is a group that said they wanted the crown. The fan base built up their hopes to match what the players have said for a couple years now. I don't think you'd see nearly as much disappointment if we were walking away from games feeling like the team left their best 40 minutes on the floor. The problem lies in the same types of defeats, followed by the same canned responses about it being a wake up call blah blah blah. I agree that the fans will generally take the losses harder than the team, but at this point it doesn't seem like that takes very much.
Why do people keep comparing this year to last year like it's a good thing? With all the similarities everyone brags about, I suppose we should expect a first round loss just like last year to0?
It's not attitude or effort. They are legitimately trying. They Just don't know how to play defense. They are going to have to rely on their offense to win games. It is just who they are and it's not going to change.I don't know which thread to post in first.
I'll start w/ most positive spot and work my way around, I guess.
Not to ignore the weak points of the team's performance this year, but one thing didn't help: That Baylor loss shellshocked them, rattled their confidence. Almost like they fear the other shoe is about to drop.
I think they got some of it back with the late rally to force OT, but again, too late to expect to pull it off.
It the opposite of needing a wake-up call or "not taking opponent seriously," as we heard last season.