Wow. Pitt, Maryland,Duke and Viriginia are in MUCH better recruiting areas that ISU...better jobs for a HC.
You can win at Football at ISU
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I agree that's great money for a program where the fans are happy with mediocre seasons and competing well in minor bowl games, and maybe a better season occasionally mixed in. Do that and you will be set for life here as an extremely wealthy man. Heck, even if you don't do that here you'll end up very wealthy.
But the type of coach that will win isn't motivated by the money you'll get if you fail. Of course, we can hire an idiot who just wants the money. But we do want someone who wins, right?
Again, if just throwing ungodly amounts of money at any coach would work, every school would do it.
Some of you seem to think that anyone would be interested in Iowa State at $3 million per year.
While I agree that Iowa State has inherent advantages like you mention, there isn't another fan base in America that uses it like a crutch like Iowa State fans. Oklahoma State, Kansas State, and Washington State are very similar teams in that regard, and they have all found ways to win under their own difficult circumstances. Even Oregon State has had successful stretches of football. Meanwhile, the attitude is "We Are Iowa State - we can't expect better than 6 or 7 wins in a season".
Yes, Iowa State is a difficult place to win - but the culture of acceptance of low expectations has to change, or it never will change.
Who said anything about hiring an idiot or just any coach? I've said in prior posts that the money should attract good candidates since there are plenty of good coaches out there making a small fraction of what they would make it ISU. Of course it would attract idiots as well, but it's up to JP and hopefully the people guiding him in this selection process to separate the salesmen from the sharp coaches.
Johnny Orr came for money, but the difference in money was far less than it is now. There is not nearly the difference in salaries in 2015 as there was in 1980.
The post I was replying to said that Iowa State was a really good gig for someone since you could come in and win 6 games and stay 7 years and make $1 million a year. My point is that no one worth getting would think of it that way....they wouldn't think "well, I'll go there and even if I fail, I'll be rich." That just doesn't happen with anyone worth wanting.
What good coaches will do is weigh the other potential jobs against Iowa State and decide if it is worth taking the Iowa State job over say the Illinois job. If I take off my Iowa State supportor glasses, I realize that $1.5 at Illinois is much better than $2 million at Iowa State. Because at Illinois, I can win 7 games a year without trying.
It doesn't matter what fan base "accepts." All that matters is what goes on within the football team.
Good god, Harbaugh built his program at Stanford into a "national bully" in front of a half-full stadium most of the time. All that matters is what goes on in the meeting rooms, on the practice field, and in conditioning sessions.
You're exactly right. Even $2 million for five years sets somebody up for life. The Chicken Little running around in all the threads saying we can't attract anybody must be making $3 mil a year himself. Otherwise I can't explain the idiotic notion that there aren't qualified people out there angling to get a call for this opportunity.
I honestly don't think you understand how this works. Coaches don't want to come into a situation where they think they are going to fail. And if they do, they will likely fail.
I just don't think successful coaches are going to go around and decide that making $2 million a year is worth not being successful. Especially when they are rich anyway. It's not like we are going to hire someone who is currently making $50,000 (of course, some of the position coaches on our list probably only make around $200,000)
We already have a really good team. Did anyone watch the games this year? Sure, we lost most of them, but we could have won most, playing teams with far higher quality recruits. Like it or not, playing ISU in 2015 was considered a dangerous game for every one of our opponents, contrary to the way things used to be. The Big 12 contains some of the best teams in the nation. I am proud of the skill and effort our team and coaches put forth this year, Indeed, our end W-L stats are infuriating, but you would have to be blind to not see the direction the quality of play has been heading year after year, including the quality of recruits.
We have seen a long list of coaches come and go in the last couple decades, and I think this team is easily on par or better than any ISU team fielded during that time. Why do we not have more wins? A tremendously improved Big 12, and a few key strategic mistakes, some of which can be attributed to coaching blunders (but not most).
JPR significantly raised the level of play, a level of play that is significantly on the upswing - even after losing some key players through graduation, (a fact that was not the case with previous coaching terminations).
Indeed, I wish JPR the best, for he not only served as coach honorably, and positively affected the lives of the players he coached, but he greatly improved the quality of the team, the quality of play - and our reputation for being capable of winning, compared to his predecessors.
But as usual in coaching, it is "what have you done for me lately?" and if a player had not fumbled the ball at Manhattan, or if a bad call had been dealt with properly during the OK State game, he would still have a job. (It's a good thing coaching at this level pays well.)
I hope the momentum can continue during the uprooting of the present program and onto a new coaching regime.
The fans have really stepped up their support over the Rhoads years and the facilities are better but the facts are the facts.
The only guy in the modern era to win at ISU is a hall of fame coach Earle Bruce and someone Ohio St. wanted to hire. Impossible, no but its one of the hardest P5 jobs to win at.
Can we have a 6+ win once in a while sure, will he do it regularly? Not unless we have a very good or dare I even say great coach like a Bill Snyder. Just be realistic.
And yet Pitt, Maryland, Duke, and Virginia are usually mediocre - at best. It wasn't until 2-3 years ago that Duke began winning like crazy. Maryland is a failed version of Oregon. Virginia has no business being as bad as it is. And, for as often as Pitt plays Iowa in the nonconference, when was the last time they actually beat Iowa?
I agree you want a coach with some pride that expects to win. My point was "winning" and success is more easily achieved at ISU in terms of fan expectations, and what coach wouldn't appreciate that? Ask Urban Meyer how much he will appreciate OSU fan's opinion of him if he loses to Michigan, and he"s at the extreme end of perfectionist coaches.
I don't know that a coach with no real connection to a school is going to base his job decision on how appreciative the fans will be if he wins 6 games.
Maybe the new front runner, Tony Alford, will.
Uh, as with any school, you have to have the right coach. Alabama (remember Mike Shula?), Michigan (RichRod and Hoke) and now Texas have found that out.
Pitt for one has the right coach. Are you really calling Pitt "mediocre?" Come on.