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AltHawk said:
Yes. The difficulty is that this coach is probably going to go to 50 other schools before he goes to Iowa State. There is a coach out there somewhere that is not going to be a hot commodity and that could turn Iowa State into a solid football program. I'm not sure who or where he is- that's up to Pollard to find him.
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We need a HC who think ISU football is as monumentally important as AltHawk does.
 
AltHawk are you ChrisWilliams alternate posting name, I ask because you repeat everything he says about our football program?
 
AltHawk said:
It's probably one of the five worst jobs in the P5 conferences. it is undoubtedly better in terms of facilities and fan support than it was twenty years ago, but so are most other schools. The bottom line is Iowa Stte is unlikely to get a hot shot coordinator or a head coach that has torn it up at a mid-major school. You're going to have to find someone that is not on the radar of other P5 programs (similar to Fran at Iowa) and hope that he can recruit enough players.
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And Kirk Ferentz has about a .500 record against this horrible ISU program since becoming the head coach at Iowa.

Oh, and don't forget, Iowa State was outdrawing Iowa at the beginning of the year too. What a horrible program we must have to be outdrawing Iowa though, right?

Get off your high horse. Yes, historically we aren't the program that Iowa is, but we're not as far apart as you'd like to think. Had Iowa struggled again this year and Beathard wasn't the savior he turned out to be, Kinnick would be a ghost town right now, and you know it.

Iowa is having a great year taking advantage of a really soft schedule, but don't pretend like Iowa isn't a couple bad years away from being in the same situation as Iowa State is in right now. They are so lucky to have gotten a cake schedule and to have found a QB this year. If they hadn't, everyone would be screaming to fire Ferentz right now..... heck they were at the end of last year.
 
thatguy said:
then why hasn't anybody ever done it?
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We have to define "it".

Is it possible for a coach to build ISU into a progam that consistently wins 5-10 games a year without gigantic pitfall nearly winless seasons, something that would be better than anything we've had recently? Of course it is, especially now that facilities and scholarship #s aren't a huge gap like they were in the 80s and early 90s.

None of us think ISU is going to be the next Oklahoma or that the right coach could do that.
 
Rhoads didn't find success easy at ISU, but he did at least beat Texas twice including a shutout, something no other Cyclone football coach can say. I still think we can win games. Time to build it again. Go State!
 
clonedude said:
And Kirk Ferentz has about a .500 record against this horrible ISU program since becoming the head coach at Iowa.

Oh, and don't forget, Iowa State was outdrawing Iowa at the beginning of the year too. What a horrible program we must have to be outdrawing Iowa though, right?

Get off your high horse. Yes, historically we aren't the program that Iowa is, but we're not as far apart as you'd like to think. Had Iowa struggled again this year and Beathard wasn't the savior he turned out to be, Kinnick would be a ghost town right now, and you know it.

Iowa is having a great year taking advantage of a really soft schedule, but don't pretend like Iowa isn't a couple bad years away from being in the same situation as Iowa State is in right now. They are so lucky to have gotten a cake schedule and to have found a QB this year. If they hadn't, everyone would be screaming to fire Ferentz right now..... heck they were at the end of last year.
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Good points, and if the squawks get beat at Nebraska and hammered in the title game, there will be plenty of grumbling again as even hawk fans will have to admit how weak the schedule was. We do have more to sell at ISU than some give us credit for, and getting prospective coaches on campus will help just as it does with recruits. We have some disadvantages but ISU is a great school with very good facilities now and I have no doubt we can find a good coach, though JP will need a lot of help and good advice doing it. He can't afford to strike out on a 3rd coach.
 
If it's possible to win in Manhattan, Kansas it's possible to win in Ames, Iowa. The next coach is stepping into a situation where there are excellent facilities, TV exposure and more money than ISU has ever had before.
 
I firmly believe an aggressive, smart coach can win here. Now we need to be able to hire one.
 
ruxCYtable said:
If it's possible to win in Manhattan, Kansas it's possible to win in Ames, Iowa. The next coach is stepping into a situation where there are excellent facilities, TV exposure and more money than ISU has ever had before.
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1. Very loose academic requirements at Kansas State when Bill got there.

2. Lots of jucos very close to the school.

Those are 2 very big differences.
 
ruxCYtable said:
If it's possible to win in Manhattan, Kansas it's possible to win in Ames, Iowa. The next coach is stepping into a situation where there are excellent facilities, TV exposure and more money than ISU has ever had before.
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We've been able to win/recruit in hoops but Fred still took a super aggressive approach to getting talent in non-traditional ways because he had his eye on competing with the top programs.

That's what Snyder always did and probably the path for ISU.
 
ruxCYtable said:
If it's possible to win in Manhattan, Kansas it's possible to win in Ames, Iowa. The next coach is stepping into a situation where there are excellent facilities, TV exposure and more money than ISU has ever had before.
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Kstate was the worst football program before Snyder, then were terrible again when he retired the first time and will be terrible again when he eventually dies on the sideline. Bill Snyder is a once in a lifetime anomaly, not something you can go search for.
 
If KU and KSU can win then ISU can too. It'll be tough as hell in a ten team Big XII where most teams are as invested and all are in better or equal locations recruiting wise. And you have to play Iowa every year. Y'all know this better than anyone so what is the solution? A creative hire. Someone that is exciting, proven, or possibly even unique

PJ Fleck- Possibly the best recruiter in the country
Dino Babers- Has won at two midwestern stops quickly (EIU & BGSU) with explosive offense
Todd Monken- Nobody was worse than USM and he knows the Big XII and how to score in this league


Surely one of those three would fall to ISU this off-season.
 
Good up and coming football mind/coach, or established name that wants to prove how good he really is. What would you prefer in the next coach?
 
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