Yes. Those coaches interviewed at some point. Not really breaking news, but....
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...lly-once-wanted-iowa-state-now-hes-dissing-it
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Yes. Those coaches interviewed at some point. Not really breaking news, but....
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...lly-once-wanted-iowa-state-now-hes-dissing-it
LOL at those that want to hire Brady Hoke because he's a great recruiter. Guy was the coach at Michigan - a place that recruits itself. Even in Michigan's "down" years and Michigan State's "glory" years Michigan outrecruits Michigan State. But even with all that talent he had Meechigan fan pining for the Lloyd Carr years.... Hell, the RichRod years.
Plus, haven't we learned our lesson from the Chizik years - a guy that was moderately successful recruiting to ISU (for a place like ISU), but even with talent couldn't coach worth a damn (and before you say he won a national championship as the head coach of Auburn, everybody knows that Gus Malzahn was the brains behind that operation - and as soon as he left Auburn to take a head coaching job at Arky State Chizik crashed that Ferrari into a telephone pole)?
I'll take a flyer on a guy that was unfairly run out of a quality job - someone like a Mack Brown at Texas (not saying I want Mack Brown or suggesting he'd take the job, just laying out the scenario) who was successful at their school but was run because they didn't meet the fans' lofty expectations. I don't want to have anything to do with a guy that was justifiably run out of a place like Hoke was at Michigan.
Plus, haven't we learned our lesson from the Chizik years - a guy that was moderately successful recruiting to ISU (for a place like ISU), but even with talent couldn't coach worth a damn (and before you say he won a national championship as the head coach of Auburn, everybody knows that Gus Malzahn was the brains behind that operation - and as soon as he left Auburn to take a head coaching job at Arky State Chizik crashed that Ferrari into a telephone pole)?
I'll take a flyer on a guy that was unfairly run out of a quality job - someone like a Mack Brown at Texas (not saying I want Mack Brown or suggesting he'd take the job, just laying out the scenario) who was successful at their school but was run because they didn't meet the fans' lofty expectations. I don't want to have anything to do with a guy that was justifiably run out of a place like Hoke was at Michigan.
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Rumor was that Turner Gill got such a big salary because it was originally meant for Harbaugh, but Kansas had a disagreement him and he backed out. Than Turner heard about how much they were going to pay him and demanded that much for his salary.
good thing Harbaugh never went to Kansas.
Agreed. I thought this was pretty common knowledge now for everyone. BTW to the poster that wonders if they would have been successful here. Kelly won at Cincy instead of taking the ISU job. Has Harbaugh failed anywhere? (Outside of rubbing people the wrong way) Would RG3 have come to Ames? Who knows, maybe. I am not saying they would still be here coaching but there would have been more wins then 5-19 with Chizik and we would not have Paul Rhoads, there would have been a different pool of candidates if they left with more success.
UCF is a better job for most. An easier job.
We need the guy who wants to be here. Our Beamer. I would advise our Administration....I am talking about Leath....to not throw ridiculous money at some name. It will take some luck actually.....hire the next young hungry guy and let him know that the money will follow success. Insane to pay these dorks when they do not deliver.
We need the guy who wants to be here. Our Beamer. I would advise our Administration....I am talking about Leath....to not throw ridiculous money at some name. It will take some luck actually.....hire the next young hungry guy and let him know that the money will follow success. Insane to pay these dorks when they do not deliver.
A good coach can win at ISU. Yes the schedule is hard, but it is manageable. There is no reason a coach cannot win 6 games a year at ISU, with higher win seasons mixed in.
Hopefully we have a shot at NDSU's coach, but their titles will make it tough.
Above all else we need someone apt in the skills of building a program via development (more so than recruiting). It gets overblown, but they will need to win with less in terms of recruiting. Rhoads came in with a suspect plan from Day 1 due to having no clue on offense. He marginalized the best position group he inherited and picked an offense that requires high resource allocation at the toughest spots for upper Midwest teams to excel, which wasn't offset enough by superior qualities elsewhere (game planning, fundamental development, talent identification, etc).
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Are you talking about NDSU's old coach or their new one?
Their old coach is probably going to be fired from Wyoming soon and he was the one that lead them to 3 straight championships.
their new one is slowing riding NDSU downhill. Even though he has an NFL QB. They already lose twice this year and I don't think they will win the championship.
If we hired Hoke or Golden I would not be attending a game.
Lets see cant win at two of the easiest places to recruit in the world.. yeah perfect fit! Not a chance.
Lets see cant win at two of the easiest places to recruit in the world.. yeah perfect fit! Not a chance.
I think that was Chizik's problem. He was used to being able to just say "Texas" and get recruits that would mask coaching deficiencies, but was not able to overcome that here.
I'm thinking you believe people here have a higher inflated perception of the program here at ISU, and that's pretty laughable. There are very few here at CF and in CycloneNation that don't know we are one of the worst jobs available in a P5 conference.
You are pointing out things that others have been saying from the beginning...this all could have been done on those threads...wait it already has been done.
I've said a couple of times that Brady Hoke would be a great fit for ISU. Hard working, wants blue collar guys that can pound the ball at the other team and use play action passing. He already has a great California recruiting background from when he was at SDSU and ISU is already bringing players in from there for next year.
If you think Hokes time at UM was bad because of him, then you know nothing about football. He inherited a horrible team that was full of players that didn't fit his style at all. Then, with all of that, when you have a down program it's not as easy to bring in the top recruits. Add to that, OSU brings in Meyer, who can out-recruit just about anyone and you have a recipe for disaster. The only thing that turned UM around so quickly was the recruits that Hoke did get in, fit perfectly into Harbaughs scheme. The name Harbaugh has brought even more recruits to the university. When Hoke was at SDSU he turned a 2 win program into a 9 win program two years later. SDSU has been to four straight bowl games utilizing Hokes recruits.
So tell us again how bad Hoke is...coming from the name hawkfan I won't hold my breath for an intelligent answer.
Not really sold on Al Golden as I don't think he meets the criteria of being unfairly run out. He had only one really good season at Miami with a 9-4 record, the season before that was a meh season at 7-5, and the rest was really mediocre at best - at a school with insane history and crazy recruiting advantages - and, honestly, a ****-poor conference. What he did at Temple was impressive, but what he did at Miami really was not.
I was going to scoff at your Bo Pelini suggestion, but looking at his record that's exactly the kind of guy I'm talking about. Nebraska's unreasonable expectations ran a guy that was 67-27 (39-17) during his tenure there. My only two issues with the guy are:
1. After 3 straight coaches that were previously defensive coordinators, and, with the exception of the early 2000s we've really struggled to do anything on the offensive side of the ball, I might prefer a coach that was an offensive coordinator.
2. I'd really rather not tap the Hayden Fry tree again.
