Is it really coaching?

iowaboy

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One thing about these forums is if you read them long enough you have pretty much read it all as much don't change. I have one question and one statement to make about our "issue" with winning at ISU on the gridiron.

Why in heck do the Coaches NOT put in Lanning at QB enough that he can make a difference? Putting in a player for one or two plays doesn't accomplish anything for the most part as it's all about rhythm. Having said that, he goes in and throws a TD in his second play and to my knowledge never sees the field again? Really? Height of insanity is to change NOTHING yet expect different results. Coming in cold off the bench is risky also but I would think given the pressure Coach Rhoads is in he would pull out every rabbit out of as many hats as he can. Lanning is a athlete. Period! he is also a winner and a tough kid. It's in the genes. NO, I am not a relative, just proud of who he is and what I feel he can do.

As far as Head Coaches are concerned. I personally don't think the head coach means much. I feel if you sat down at a round table the top ten head coaches in the Country and added Coach Rhoads to the discussion and quizzed them on every aspect of football offense, defense, special teams, QB play, line play, d backs on and on, there wouldn't be 2 cents difference between them. It's not what we KNOW as leaders, its what we can get others to DO! Coach Mac is a example. Got every player to play over their heads. Problem is TALENT!

I feel it's less about the actual x's and o's and more about talent. Skills can be developed, but talent it is already there. It's ALL about recruiting. Period! Give me talent and the coaching doesn't matter much. ISU has to figure out how to get the TALENT! If Utah can do it we can too. We must change to be successful. AND, I will say that the current ISU players are giving us their all as you could see it in the 1st quarter against TCU. But they can't sustain it over the long haul as we don't have ENOUGH skill players to hang around the whole game. RECRUITING IS THE ANSWER! We need a closer in recruiting. Someone that can tell you to go to hell and have you looking forward to the trip. Get some salesman !!! IB
 
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Lanning probably pulled a Moxon and called his own play. Then the coaches benched him.

That's my theory.
 
Yes its coaching. We have a stud at RB, WR's that would start for just about any team in this country, a veteran offensive line, and a 5th ******* year senior QB, and we are only scoring 26 points a game.
 
As far as Head Coaches are concerned. I personally don't think the head coach means much.

Could you shut up please? I don't want my AD to hear about this necessary truth and take away my $7,000,000/yr salary. Also, it's going to be really hard getting $10,000,000/yr from UT in a couple of years if they find this out.

Thanks!
Sincerely,
Nick Saban
 
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It is recruiting. You do not have the worst recruiting in the conference year in year out without finally saying we need better recruiting. Taking two stars and making them into all conference did not work last year. No one really made a dent last year.

It also seems that Paul is going through the motions like he will be back again next year. That will not be a surprise. Maybe mark and Wally will move on next year and we will replace the OC and DC like Gene Chizlack did. Paul looked more worried last year about his job.
 
One thing about these forums is if you read them long enough you have pretty much read it all as much don't change. I have one question and one statement to make about our "issue" with winning at ISU on the gridiron.

Why in heck do the Coaches NOT put in Lanning at QB enough that he can make a difference? Putting in a player for one or two plays doesn't accomplish anything for the most part as it's all about rhythm. Having said that, he goes in and throws a TD in his second play and to my knowledge never sees the field again? Really? Height of insanity is to change NOTHING yet expect different results. Coming in cold off the bench is risky also but I would think given the pressure Coach Rhoads is in he would pull out every rabbit out of as many hats as he can. Lanning is a athlete. Period! he is also a winner and a tough kid. It's in the genes. NO, I am not a relative, just proud of who he is and what I feel he can do.

As far as Head Coaches are concerned. I personally don't think the head coach means much. I feel if you sat down at a round table the top ten head coaches in the Country and added Coach Rhoads to the discussion and quizzed them on every aspect of football offense, defense, special teams, QB play, line play, d backs on and on, there wouldn't be 2 cents difference between them. It's not what we KNOW as leaders, its what we can get others to DO! Coach Mac is a example. Got every player to play over their heads. Problem is TALENT!

I feel it's less about the actual x's and o's and more about talent. Skills can be developed, but talent it is already there. It's ALL about recruiting. Period! Give me talent and the coaching doesn't matter much. ISU has to figure out how to get the TALENT! If Utah can do it we can too. We must change to be successful. AND, I will say that the current ISU players are giving us their all as you could see it in the 1st quarter against TCU. But they can't sustain it over the long haul as we don't have ENOUGH skill players to hang around the whole game. RECRUITING IS THE ANSWER! We need a closer in recruiting. Someone that can tell you to go to hell and have you looking forward to the trip. Get some salesman !!! IB

Yes, it is about coaching. The second half of the Iowa game was 100% the coaches not making the right adjustments to the ones Iowa's defensive coordinators made. I would say the TCU game would be the same thing, although I don't think it would have mattered. ISU wasn't going to outscore TCU anyway. The Texas Tech game, well, I put that on one coach and one qb.
 
It's all about having talented players. People can say Wally Burnham sucks but the dude won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at FSU as a defensive coach. Gene Chizik went 5-19 here and won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at Auburn a few years later. These guys can coach but it's all about getting talented players and it just doesn't happen at ISU.
 
Lanning probably pulled a Moxon and called his own play. Then the coaches benched him.

That's my theory.
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It's all about having talented players. People can say Wally Burnham sucks but the dude won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at FSU as a defensive coach. Gene Chizik went 5-19 here and bought a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at Auburn a few years later. These guys can coach but it's all about getting talented players and it just doesn't happen at ISU.
FTFY
 
What would Rhoads/Mangino do with Baylor's players?

1 yard runs up the middle, atrocious bubble screens and punts on 4th and 2 from the opponent's 40
 
It's all about having talented players. People can say Wally Burnham sucks but the dude won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at FSU as a defensive coach. Gene Chizik went 5-19 here and won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at Auburn a few years later. These guys can coach but it's all about getting talented players and it just doesn't happen at ISU.
Gene also won one at UT. Has Paul won anything besides one bowl game in Shreveport?
 
Yes its coaching. We have a stud at RB, WR's that would start for just about any team in this country, a veteran offensive line, and a 5th ******* year senior QB, and we are only scoring 26 points a game.
Lazard is really the only receiver who would get playing time at "any team in this country," but yeah.
 
Yes its coaching. We have a stud at RB, WR's that would start for just about any team in this country, a veteran offensive line, and a 5th ******* year senior QB, and we are only scoring 26 points a game.

It is coaching. Part of coaching is developing players. Has Sam Richardson gotten any better since he got on campus? Grant Rohach was an Elite 11 QB coming out of HS... and he has probably regressed since he arrived in Ames.

Another big part of coaching is evaluating talent... Mike Warren hardly played in the first 2 games and since has gone off running the football. How is it the guy wasn't the starter from the get go? On the TCU telecast the announcers said that Warren was described by the staff as a "Saturday night guy" meaning he doesn't show anything in practice or scrimmages but shows up on Saturday night and plays great. Does anyone really believe that? That sounds more like a good cover for finally playing a kid and he lights it up and the staff now needs an excuse as to why he never saw the field before that.

ISU has some talent at key positions but if the schemes or game plans that the staff puts in place week to week doesn't put these guys in the right position to make plays then there isn't much they can do. (See Wally and the 12 yard cushions our corners play)
 
First quarter was proof to me that we have the talent to win some footballs games. Poor coaching allowed a 3Qrtr shutout against a sub-par defense.
 

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