NFL: College QBs not ready for the pros

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Interesting article. From a college fan's perspective, who cares? Getting your qb to the NFL is nice, but winning games is far more important.

From a pro fan perspective, it's more complicated.

I do like hearing from the Cleveland Browns GM. It's absolutely fitting that he's the guy looking for the secret code to generating a successful offense without a good quarterback. That's sort of an every day reality in Cleveland.
 
This makes me think about all the Jake Locker hype. The guy once had a game at Washington where he threw 4/22 for 90 something yards and 5 INTs. The same thing is happening all over with Christian Hackenberg.

Why is the NFL obsessed with big guys with big arms who absolutely suck at playing QB?

Innovation in football seems to come from the ground up, with the NFL the slowest level to adapt. The NFL in 10 years will look more like college today than college in 10 years will.
 
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This makes me think about all the Jake Locker hype. The guy once had a game at Washington where he threw 4/22 for 90 something yards and 5 INTs. The same thing is happening all over with Christian Hackenberg.

Why is the NFL obsessed with big guys with big arms who absolutely suck at playing QB?

Hackenberg is far, far better than Locker was. PSU has and has had no offense line for Hackenbergs entire existence and has had marginal auxiliary components as well. I never got the Locker hype but with Hackenberg I get it. He just hasn't had any chance.
 
This makes me think about all the Jake Locker hype. The guy once had a game at Washington where he threw 4/22 for 90 something yards and 5 INTs. The same thing is happening all over with Christian Hackenberg.

Why is the NFL obsessed with big guys with big arms who absolutely suck at playing QB?

Innovation in football seems to come from the ground up, with the NFL the slowest level to adapt. The NFL in 10 years will look more like college today than college in 10 years will.

I remember seeing Locker's profile after he was drafted and one of his weaknesses listed was accuracy. That always struck me as a pretty big weakness for a first round pick, that's not something you can fix real easily.
 
I'm slightly torn on this. The main point of a college coach and a college QB is to win games for his current team. But on the other hand, it does bother me that the one of the main purposes of college is to prepare you to make a living after college. If a coach wins tons of games, but does it in a way that doesn't prepare his players for the next level (I'm looking at you Urban Meyer coaching Tim Tebow), the victories seem a little more hollow.
 
Hackenberg is far, far better than Locker was. PSU has and has had no offense line for Hackenbergs entire existence and has had marginal auxiliary components as well. I never got the Locker hype but with Hackenberg I get it. He just hasn't had any chance.

I've seen worse QBs on worse teams do better than he did last week.

He's going to be another NFL bust, mark it down now.

Sometimes I think NFL scouts/execs/whomever get their heads so far up their own ***** that they lose all form of common sense. When some hack at a computer in Iowa who never played past senior year of HS can see, plain as day, that a guy who isn't a competent QB in college isn't going to be one in the NFL, then how in the hell are these guys missing it?
 
I'm slightly torn on this. The main point of a college coach and a college QB is to win games for his current team. But on the other hand, it does bother me that the one of the main purposes of college is to prepare you to make a living after college. If a coach wins tons of games, but does it in a way that doesn't prepare his players for the next level (I'm looking at you Urban Meyer coaching Tim Tebow), the victories seem a little more hollow.

hollow victories stuffed with money. I don't think Urban or the schools he's coached care too much.
Perhaps I'm jaded, but the romanticized idea of college sports being played for some noble purpose is just dead, as far as I'm concerned, if it ever was alive. It's purpose is straight cash. Everything else is just window dressing.
And I don't mind that. I still love it and watch as much as I can. But, it's also why when I hear NFL GMs and coaches griping about players not being prepared by their college programs, I don't have a lot of sympathy. It's like whining about getting raw steak from the grocery store, and expecting it to already be cooked for me.
 
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I'll add to this that many of the top QBs are coming from teams with an embarrassment of riches at the skill positions. It seems that many of these guys have gotten so used to the receivers having such an advantage that when they get to the pros they struggle because of the even skill levels. As a result, we've seen just as many small schools deliver quality QBs than the brand names.
 
I've always kind of wondered what would happen if the NFL had, like, 50-60 teams (kind of like college football has in active, "Power" programs of some nature) instead of its current 32.

There's approximately a dozen or so true "franchise" quarterbacks to go around. The competitive benefit given the culture of the league, style of play, and the rules from having one of those franchise quarterbacks is night and day. It's essentially have one, be good, do not have one, you're going to suck in the NFL.

Seattle without Wilson is Houston--good, great roster even, but not even enough to make the playoffs. Put a serviceable quarterback on there, two straight Super Bowls.

Indianapolis has been a basket case of an organization and wasted draft picks left and right, but having Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck around has fixed a lot of that problem.

This makes the NFL less interesting to me in some regards. You know the teams with the good quarterbacks are going to be good and everybody else not. The overall rosters of, say, Jacksonville and New England are going to be much closer than college teams (imagine Alabama versus Vanderbilt or Kansas/ISU versus OU/TCU) in terms of talent, but the leverage of talent at that one position is so high it swamps anything else so easily.

Thing is, the ~12-18 franchise guys versus 32 teams mean most teams are going to try for that "business model" of success given it is all they know, all they've seen, and most successful coaches and coordinators came of age and learned from that plan and circumstance, so they're going to try to recreate it elsewhere. If things were more like college football, and only ~20% of the teams in the league could have that kind of signal caller, it might force teams to become more creative simply because they have to at that point. They have to find other types of offenses, roster constructions, and ways to win from then.

Interesting that I tell myself I like the college game more, though, though the lack of competitive balance in talent makes it less interesting from an objective standpoint. The blue bloods are always going to have more to work with. That's it. Not the same in the NFL. Everybody has the same cap space and draft resources. However, though the NFL has competitive balance from roster construction, it lacks it from QB play. College maintains it through creative roster construction and scheming, which leads to a more interesting style of play, to me, to watch.

Trying to play like you've got Tom Brady when you've got Brian Hoyer isn't ever fun to watch.

If only there was a way to have the diversity of the college schemes/systems/styles with the NFL's balance in talent and resources. Both games are unfair, just in their own ways.
 
I'll add to this that many of the top QBs are coming from teams with an embarrassment of riches at the skill positions. It seems that many of these guys have gotten so used to the receivers having such an advantage that when they get to the pros they struggle because of the even skill levels. As a result, we've seen just as many small schools deliver quality QBs than the brand names.

agreed. And it's not only the advantage of talent. It's the comparative weakness of defenses. Manziel is a perfect example of this. Seemingly half of his highlights came on plays that just don't work against NFL defenses, where the lineman are faster, the linebackers aren't as easy to evade, and defensive backs are more aware. Throwing up a prayer to Mike Evans, who's 6-8 inches taller than the out of position cornerback just isn't a thing anymore, either.
 
Josh Freeman is another great example of an over valued college QB who was big and had a big arm. When he looked like an average QB against Iowa State defenses, I figured he wouldn't work out too well in the NFL.
 
hollow victories stuffed with money. I don't think Urban or the schools he's coached care too much.
Perhaps I'm jaded, but the romanticized idea of college sports being played for some noble purpose is just dead, as far as I'm concerned, if it ever was alive. It's purpose is straight cash. Everything else is just window dressing.
And I don't mind that. I still love it and watch as much as I can. But, it's also why when I hear NFL GMs and coaches griping about players not being prepared by their college programs, I don't have a lot of sympathy. It's like whining about getting raw steak from the grocery store, and expecting it to already be cooked for me.
I actually think you can have this view point and still romanticize college sports. I'll admit I have a romanticized view of college sports where you're a student athlete and are playing for your school, but I still believe in the bolded part. What's the purpose of college sports (under the romanticized view)? It's to be a student athlete, play for your school, and to get an education. It's not to prepare you to be in the NFL. I guess in my view the NFL should either stop ******** or create a minor league system like baseball or soccer in the rest of the world to make sure players are prepared.
 
hollow victories stuffed with money. I don't think Urban or the schools he's coached care too much.
Perhaps I'm jaded, but the romanticized idea of college sports being played for some noble purpose is just dead, as far as I'm concerned, if it ever was alive. It's purpose is straight cash. Everything else is just window dressing.
And I don't mind that. I still love it and watch as much as I can. But, it's also why when I hear NFL GMs and coaches griping about players not being prepared by their college programs, I don't have a lot of sympathy. It's like whining about getting raw steak from the grocery store, and expecting it to already be cooked for me.

Oh, I completely agree about having no romanticized belief in college football. It's all about money (revisit the conference realignment saga if you ever forget this), but for some reason the fact that college programs can't even fully prepare their players for the NFL particularly annoys me. It's such a low bar to overcome to meet the ideals college sports is supposed to be about that it's comical.
 

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