Recruit Lists v2.0
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Or it could mean those staffs have a better relationship with him because they actually existed longer than our staff. Don't read too much into where one kid commits
I realize one kid doesn't make a trend but let's face it, there aren't many HS recruiting situations better than Horne. Robinson was in on him previously. It's close enough to Ames. And KSU's head coach is 90% likely to be fired after the upcoming debacle where KSU has very little talent.
With us Horne can step in quite possibly to a 4-yr starting role with what should be a tourney/bubble team.
Good point. Recruiting for most teams (elite or not) is a long term relationship built with kids. I think we've gotten a little skewed by the way we've gotten players the last few years. Transfers, late signees, etc. I think it's amazing we are even s possibility with some of these guys with a new staff. I think Horne does end up here.
Didn't one of those kids grow up a Kansas State fan. Just because people that grow up Iowa State basketball fans never end up coming here or staying here doesn't mean that is unusual. At most schools, if you give someone an offer and that person is likely going to pick the school they've been a fan of.
Think of Allen Lazard. The only reason that he is here is because he grew up an Iowa State fan.
In a lot of ways Prohm can't win right now with recruiting. If he goes after the guys that he has built relationships with, we'll ***** because he's going after Murray State talent, not big time talent. If he goes after big time talent and doesn't get it, we'll ***** because he doesn't have relationships with the big time talent.
Probably right. The thought it is not a "fair" fight in terms of KSU's staff being there longer is not a rebuttal and is a bit fallacious. When going through a coaching transition you either need to hire your way to equitable relationships or hire guys that can win unfair recruiting battles, otherwise you will likely have poor classes.
It's a very tough task.
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I've seen nothing that says he's a KSU fan. He goes to HS in Missouri but maybe he does like KSU some because they're local. Still to compare him to Lazard is silly because of his dad.
My point is, we're not going to be handed many better HS recruiting situations. We have a good story to sell to Horne. Weber is on borrowed time. Kids want to win. There is only 1.5 hour difference in distance. He is somewhat similar to Niang in skillet and like Georges could be a 4 year starter.
I think Winston is a big MSU lean so I'm not worried there. Who I am worried about with Simpson is Xavier.
Also regarding Horne I would worry about Memphis just as much as K State. He said that a Memphis offer would "mean a lot" to him, I don't know if they've offered yet though. Plus he has some sort of connection to Memphis via his dad. Not sure exactly how but I've seen articles from Memphis sites talking about him possibly "following in his father's footsteps" & calling Horne a legacy so I think his dad played at Memphis. (The articles were members only)
I have no idea where we are on the totem pole of relationships with this kid. I'm just saying that if we don't get him it isn't curtains for recruiting.
Thought you were changing your avatar.
Anyway, I have to think we have a pretty decent pitch to him if we want to go the negative recruiting route. Weber is in big trouble, and it doesn't appear to be getting any better for him heading into next season.
Tim Miles' seat is also getting a bit warm, I would imagine. His best teams are now already behind him, and the new arena is losing it's luster for all those "soon to be again" Creighton basketball fans.
Finally, Pastner hasn't looked real good lately. Lost, big time, in the "court of public opinion" with the Nichols fiasco, and I thought I had read somewhere he and his program were under a bit of scrutiny recently.
Miles recently got a raise to over $2M and a contract extension through 2019-20.
I don't think that matters, if there are glaring issues going on, and they are not winning. They may decide to give him the buy-out and can his ***!
By "Murray State talent", you mean two players drafted in the last three years including a lottery pick and a guy who started for Philadelphia last year. Or put another way, twice as many as Hoiberg had drafted in five years with that one player being a monumental bust. Seems like a legitimate concern.
Murray State didn't make the tournament a year ago. Do you think Murray State would have made the tournament playing in the Big 12? Did they have top-5 Big 12 rosters the past 3 years? Iowa had more guys drafted under Fran than ISU had under Fred. Did Iowa have more talent?
So because Prohm has coached 2 players who have been drafted that means that the rest of the players on Murray State are not mid major players? "Murray State talent" in that context was just meant as "Mid Major talent". And you act like those 2 players were NBA level talent as recruits out of HS. They were diamonds in the rough. So just because 2 Murray State players were drafted under Prohm & only 1 was drafted under Hoiberg that the Murray State teams the past few years were on the same level talent wise as the Iowa State teams? You can't be serious with that post.