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ruxCYtable said:
For this reason I think you'd have to say CPR has done less with more than any other recent ISU coach. He has no excuse, whatsoever. I think you'd have to rank him below Walden and even Criner, who did whatever they did with nothing.
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Seriously?! What other recent coach has had to face Texas and Oklahoma every year let along the entire Big 12 conference? Come on. Plus you need to add all the conference expansion/implosion talk and how ISU would be left out in the cold joining the MAC. Yes, the facilities are getting better but they have only been round a two years and still fail compared to the likes of Texas or Oregon. So no, CPR hasn't done less with more compared to other recent ISU coaches. I would say that he has done average. If the AD went by so many of the people on CF, ISU football would have a new coach every 3 years, which is just great for the program! :jimlad:
 
ISU wins 5 games and CPR stays and I'm happy with that. I would like to see Mangino stick around a while longer and see what he can really do. The team will show improvement on Offense this year, no doubt. Many forget that ISU had a lot of new coaches to the staff last year as well. I'm not making an excuse, just stating a reality. ISU will be better this year and will show improvement.
 
PerkyForHerky said:
Only to Clones would a 50% winning % mean perfection.

It's pretty easy to go undefeated nowadays :twitcy:
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We have one 3 of the last 4 games......and 10 of the last 17 games.

Funny how you cite the only game you have beaten us in the last 4 years and then try to claim superiority.

Looks like the Hawks suck even more than the Cyclones. Your only saving grace is the pathetic schedule you have where you avoid playing the few decent teams in the Big 10.
 
Stormin said:
We have one 3 of the last 4 games......and 10 of the last 17 games.

Funny how you cite the only game you have beaten us in the last 4 years and then try to claim superiority.

Looks like the Hawks suck even more than the Cyclones. Your only saving grace is the pathetic schedule you have where you avoid playing the few decent teams in the Big 10.
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Reading comprehension is not your strength. That or you just want to change the subject.

Your guy said that ISU is undefeated against the B10 the past 2 years. You're 50% against the B10. According to the Clone fanbase, 50% must mean perfection. Where does 16.67% rank on the scale, while we're redefining things?

You are merely babbling in the corner by yourself.
 
PerkyForHerky said:
Reevaluate expectations.. like the use of facts? Are those unallowed?

I'll catch on one of these days :smile:
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The fact is that week in and week out, Iowa State fans see their football team get beaten by teams with far superior talent to ourselves, and to neighboring Big Ten teams. This occurs because Big 12 has a Top 3 recruiting state in its footprint, so the talent level is simply higher in the Big 12 than the Big Ten. They look east and see the Big Ten not having any states comparable to Texas, and note how much slower and less athletic teams like Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska and Illinois are compared to all the teams ISU faces, minus Kansas. The proof is Nebraska stagnating in the Big Ten, after losing the Texas recruiting footprint.

At the end of the day though, Iowa State needs to embrace being in a better recruiting footprint than neighboring Big Ten teams, and rise to the occasion.
 
Haverhill said:
The fact is that week in and week out, Iowa State fans see their football team get beaten by teams with far superior talent to ourselves, and to neighboring Big Ten teams. This occurs because Big 12 has a Top 3 recruiting state in its footprint, so the talent level is simply higher in the Big 12 than the Big Ten. They look east and see the Big Ten not having any states comparable to Texas, and note how much slower and less athletic teams like Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska and Illinois are compared to all the teams ISU faces, minus Kansas. The proof is Nebraska stagnating in the Big Ten, after losing the Texas recruiting footprint.

At the end of the day though, Iowa State needs to embrace being in a better recruiting footprint than neighboring Big Ten teams, and rise to the occasion.
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Is any of this even a concern if you're losing to FCS schools consistently? Losing to good teams in the B12 doesn't make you a mediocre team.

I'm not going to argue that Texas doesn't produce a lot of talent, they clearly do. But if having the state of Texas in your conference is so vital, what is the deal with your situation? Over 20% of your current team is from TX according to Rivals https://iowastate.rivals.com/croster.asp (22 of 106) - this includes walk ons.


For players that were offered in the past 5 years - meaning, the impact players that would have comprised of your roster last year:
2010: 7/28 25%
2011: 6/24 25%
2012: 4/21 19%
2013: 6/25 24%
2014: 8/25 32%


ISU should be a hell of a lot better if your scholarship roster is made up of 25.20% Texas kids in the past 5 recruiting classes, if you're going to attribute that to the whole reason for Nebraska's decline. There's a lot more at work in Nebraska's decline than simply pointing at their connection to Texas and saying: "see!"
 
PerkyForHerky said:
Is any of this even a concern if you're losing to FCS schools consistently? Losing to good teams in the B12 doesn't make you a mediocre team.

I'm not going to argue that Texas doesn't produce a lot of talent, they clearly do. But if having the state of Texas in your conference is so vital, what is the deal with your situation? Over 20% of your current team is from TX according to Rivals https://iowastate.rivals.com/croster.asp (22 of 106) - this includes walk ons.


For players that were offered in the past 5 years - meaning, the impact players that would have comprised of your roster last year:
2010: 7/28 25%
2011: 6/24 25%
2012: 4/21 19%
2013: 6/25 24%
2014: 8/25 32%


ISU should be a hell of a lot better if your scholarship roster is made up of 25.20% Texas kids in the past 5 recruiting classes, if you're going to attribute that to the whole reason for Nebraska's decline. There's a lot more at work in Nebraska's decline than simply pointing at their connection to Texas and saying: "see!"
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Hence why I started a "Bowl or Bust" thread. Many Cyclone fans are quick to point out that recruiting against southern schools is a setback, but few see the opportunity in having such fertile recruiting territory at their disposal.

My post directed towards you was stating why Iowa State fans still feel they have reason to be critical of the Big Ten, especially Iowa, having won 3/4 games vs Iowa, despite having teams with losing records.
 
Haverhill said:
Hence why I started a "Bowl or Bust" thread. Many Cyclone fans are quick to point out that recruiting against southern schools is a setback, but few see the opportunity in having such fertile recruiting territory at their disposal.

My post directed towards you was stating why Iowa State fans still feel they have reason to be critical of the Big Ten, especially Iowa, having won 3/4 games vs Iowa, despite having teams with losing records.
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Your post was originally directed towards a response that I had regarding a Clone fan who made up false statements and I responded in humor.

It appears you and I are gravitating towards the middle in these later posts.

We must cease responding amicably and instead call each other idiots.
 
PerkyForHerky said:
Reevaluate expectations.. like the use of facts? Are those unallowed?

I'll catch on one of these days :smile:
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Doubt that you catch on. Trying to use the argument of winning one game in the last 4 games against Iowa State as proof that the Hawkeyes have a really good team is a COMPLETE failure.
 
PerkyForHerky said:
Your post was originally directed towards a response that I had regarding a Clone fan who made up false statements and I responded in humor.

It appears you and I are gravitating towards the middle in these later posts.

We must cease responding amicably and instead call each other idiots.
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I've lived in far too many towns of other schools and lived amongst other fanbases. I'd agree I'm probably too amicable with opposing fans.

Idiot.
 
Stormin said:
Doubt that you catch on. Trying to use the argument of winning one game in the last 4 games against Iowa State as proof that the Hawkeyes have a really good team is a COMPLETE failure.
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If you ever decide to respond on topic, I'd love to see the bile that spews.
 
Why am I reading so much garbage from a BiGten and Hawkeye shill on a Cyclone site. My goodness is it too much to ask to keep the Hogeye crap and those who produce it out of these threads?
 
Perky, this really isn't that complicated.

ISU struggles against...well, almost everyone, but particularly against other Big 12 teams. This is because the caliber of recruiting/performance across the conference is so high...due in great part to having access to Texas recruiting. Nonetheless, of late, we have beaten Iowa on a very consistent basis...call it 3 of 4, or 10 of 17 if you'd rather...but either way we beat you regularly, and often in your own house.

Still, Iowa manages to win 6-8 games a season...why is this? Well, its because you play one of the easiest schedules in college football in the weakest P5 league in the nation...you have Ohio State and the 13 chumps, 2-3 of which occasionally field a solid team (Wisconsin, MSU, NU). Making it worse, Iowa sometimes doesn't even play these marginally decent teams in the B1G. So you cannot compare records as equal measures...its the head on matchups that tell the tale.

So this all adds up to Iowa State struggling and having weak teams...losing even to some high end FCS schools like NDSU and UNI. Meanwhile, ISU's product on the field is STILL more talented and better than what Iowa is fielding...despite Iowa's ability to put up 6-7 wins against a schedule almost entirely made up of MAC level talent.

Put simply, ISU winning 5-6 games in a Big 12 schedule is equivalent to Iowa winning 9-10 in the B1G. Both teams have stunk these past few years, so in this case ISU's 2-3 wins are equivalent to Iowa's 5-7 wins...this is proven, quite plainly, by ISU's consistent ability to SPANK Iowa in head-to-head matchups.
 
There it is! My two favorite things - selectively picking dates (4 years or 17 years? what kind of selection is that?) and telling us how awesome you'd be in the B10.

ISU fans telling us how many games they'd win in the B10 because you beat Iowa. This coming right after you said all you can do is go off of head-to-head games and you can't compare records as equal measures.

You'd fare so well in the B10 but can't beat UNI. By the way.. Iowa hasn't lost to UNI since 1898.

:spinny:
 
PerkyForHerky said:
There it is! My two favorite things - selectively picking dates (4 years or 17 years? what kind of selection is that?) and telling us how awesome you'd be in the B10.

ISU fans telling us how many games they'd win in the B10 because you beat Iowa. This coming right after you said all you can do is go off of head-to-head games and you can't compare records as equal measures.

You'd fare so well in the B10 but can't beat UNI. By the way.. Iowa hasn't lost to UNI since 1898.

:spinny:
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Fare so well.. meh, depends what "well" means. ISU would be bowl eligible more often than not.
 
Haverhill said:
ISU would be bowl eligible more often than not.
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That's a strong statement. The entire presumption is that you can beat Iowa in a rivalry game, so that means you'd be competitive in the B1G?

Attempting to be completely unbiased, I am having difficulty coming to that realization. Make bowl games, sure. The majority of the time, for certain? Having trouble with that.
 
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