Joe Wieskamp 2018

[CyTwins]

Big risk my taking a commit like that? Yes and no. Yes, because youre right, he's light years away from coming to campus. No, because hes a huge talent thats in state, and the first rule of coaching college is to lock down the borders, and thats what Fran did. If he committed to ISU, would you say ISU is taking a huge risk?

Lastly, Id like to think of us as average right now, trying to move above average, thank you very much

I don't think that was Fred's first rule

 

[khawk4]

Your expectations may be a bit high. You should probably be happy any time he doesn't eye poke someone, if he dunks a ball in a game, or if he blocks 1 shot per game.

Expectations? I LITERALLY said I dont expect that from him, just hoping if we want to be a successful team, he can put up numbers like that.

Ill give ya the dunks though. My god, Ive gotten mad watching Iowa basketball, but watching him be underneath the basket, with no one around, and miss a layup instead of dunking takes me to a whole nother level of anger lol

 

[khawk4]

I don't think that was Fred's first rule

Ha! Got me again!!

Oh, thats right, you guys are a national brand now, and too good to recruit the state. My bad, forgot about that one.

Also, find me one coach that says getting top in state players isnt a big deal, in any sport. You have to admit, what Fred did was the very unconventional way, but it worked out great for you. Just because someone does it differently than ISU doesnt mean its the wrong way to do it.

 

[chadly82]

Big risk my taking a commit like that? Yes and no. Yes, because youre right, he's light years away from coming to campus. No, because hes a huge talent thats in state, and the first rule of coaching college is to lock down the borders, and thats what Fran did. If he committed to ISU, would you say ISU is taking a huge risk?

Lastly, Id like to think of us as average right now, trying to move above average, thank you very much

I like the John Belien approach to recruiting and this is not it.

 

[ForeverIowan]

Is it really fair to measure Jok as a "scrub" after his sophomore season? In Iowa State years, he's not even eligible for the roster yet. Should the jury not wait at least one more year?

Ha wow. Can't wait to see the Hawks in Hilton this year. Yet another beat down! It'll be priceless seeing Woodbury out there trying to guard Niang and Mckay.

 

[CyTwins]

Ha! Got me again!!

Oh, thats right, you guys are a national brand now, and too good to recruit the state. My bad, forgot about that one.

I'm just saying I don't think Fred's first rule was to lock down the borders and it's pretty evident

Fred's rules > Fran's rules

I couldn't care less where players come from but if I had to choose I'd pick transfers and players from out of state

 

[Gunnerclone]

Can't 14 year olds ride mopeds in the state of Iowa? I know that 14 year olds are capable of obtaining alcohol while underage if they try hard enough.

You should post again. Make some kind of correlation between what I said and what you want to say this time.

If Jok was putting up good numbers I'm sure you wouldn't be arguing about withholding judgement on him at this point. He's half way through his career and is now an upperclassman ffs.

 

[chadly82]

If Jok was putting up good numbers I'm sure you wouldn't be arguing about withholding judgement on him at this point. He's half way through his career and is now an upperclassman ffs.

If Jok avg 12pts a game over a season ever ill be absolutely shocked

 

[khawk4]

I'm just saying I don't think Fred's first rule was to lock down the borders and it's pretty evident

Fred's rules > Fran's rules

I couldn't care less where players come from but if I had to choose I'd pick transfers and players from out of state

So you'd purposely ignore a big fish in the state of Iowa because they are in the state of Iowa? The point Im making is, if you completely ignore the talent in your state, it can come back to bite you. And remember, this isnt football. Weve had some very good talent in the state for basketball. I know ive seen the coach of the barnstormers say (he's posts on various message boards) he hardly ever sees any ISU coaches, but sees and talks to Iowa coaches much more often, and is more familiar and comfortable with the Iowa program and has zero issue sending a kid there. Im not saying he doesnt feel comfortable with ISU, its just that he's much more familiar with Iowa, and that bodes well. Now, it hasnt really come up back to bit you, as you fill your gaps with xfers, with is fine, but what if the next Harrison Barnes comes up, and you really, really want him, but no relationship has been established because you have been ignoring them? That cant help your chances. Remember, you arent Duke or Kentucky, where you can just hurl and offer and expect a commit because you are Iowa State. And im not saying they would come to Iowa by any means, just saying from the stand point of ignoring the state in favor of transfers from out of state isnt always a good thing.

 

[khawk4]

If Jok avg 12pts a game over a season ever ill be absolutely shocked

He'll get his shot this year. With Ogelsby gone, he will be getting a big share of the 2 spot. Plus, he scored in the double digits 11 times last year, while splitting minutes, especially early, so I guess its possible.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

If Jok was putting up good numbers I'm sure you wouldn't be arguing about withholding judgement on him at this point. He's half way through his career and is now an upperclassman ffs.

"I'm not sure why anyone even attends practices after their sophomore season of college. They'll never improve."

That's what you just said.

 

[CyTwins]

So you'd purposely ignore a big fish in the state of Iowa because they are in the state of Iowa? The point Im making is, if you completely ignore the talent in your state, it can come back to bite you. And remember, this isnt football. Weve had some very good talent in the state for basketball. I know ive seen the coach of the barnstormers say (he's posts on various message boards) he hardly ever sees or talks to any ISU coaches, but sees and talks to Iowa coaches much more often, and is therefor way more familiar with the program, and would feel much more comfortable sending a kid there. Now, it hasnt really come up back to bit you, as you fill your gaps with xfers, with is fine, but what if the next Harrison Barnes comes up, and you really, really want him, but no relationship has been established because you have been ignoring them? That cant help your chances. Remember, you arent Duke or Kentucky, where you can just hurl and offer and expect a commit because you are Iowa State. And im not saying they would come to Iowa by any means, just saying from the stand point of ignoring the state in favor of transfers from out of state isnt always a good thing.

If you live in Iowa and you're NUMBER ONE rule is to control the border you're not going to be that successful, there's just not enough talent here to focus on that. Of course you go after the big fish but there aren't very many of them and everyone wants them.

I do find it funny that Iowa has this great relationship with Iowa AAU coaches but the only good player Fran has signed from our state went to Wisconsin first.

It worked out pretty well for Fred to focus on transfers and not Iowa kids. I don't even know who he offered while he was here besides Paige and Morgan. Obviously Paige was a long shot and Morgan is decent at UNI but wasn't a big miss

 

[CyTwins]

He'll get his shot this year. With Ogelsby gone, he will be getting a big share of the 2 spot. Plus, he scored in the double digits 11 times last year, while splitting minutes, especially early, so I guess its possible.

If he had to split time with Josh Ogelsby do you really want him to get more playing time? He obviously isn't very good if he wasn't already getting a big share of the 2 spot over him

 

[PerkyForHerky]

I don't even know who he offered while he was here besides Paige and Morgan. Obviously Paige was a long shot and Morgan is decent at UNI but wasn't a big miss

Mike Gesell was offered but was from S Sioux City, NE so not exactly in the category but very relevant to the conversation. 2 JUCOs in state were Demarcus Phillips a kid from Marshalltown CC. Not to mention Will Clyburn who was at Mtown CC when committing to Utah instead of ISU

 

[hoiballin33]

Only on CycloneFanatic could some 15 year old kid who we offered but committed to the Hawks lead to a 29 page thread. Obviously, we wanted him or would not have offered. Simply tip your cap and move on. There are plenty of players out there. The guy grew up a Hawk fan and just finished 9th grade!!!

How you people let a Hawk fan, whether a reasonable one or some of the idiots on here, get under your skin so easily is one of the great mysteries of this board to me.

I personally don't give a **** what that guy has to say. I'm saying I came here for constructive recruiting news and instead what I found was a fan ******* match.

 

[Spam]

I guess another way to look at this is by asking yourself the question:

Would you rather have the currently 16th ranked player in the class of 2018 or the 95th ranked player in the class of 2016?

I think 95% of fans - hawks or clones - would go with the latter.

 

[CyTwins]

Mike Gesell was offered but was from S Sioux City, NE so not exactly in the category but very relevant to the conversation. 2 JUCOs in state were Demarcus Phillips a kid from Marshalltown CC. Not to mention Will Clyburn who was at Mtown CC when committing to Utah instead of ISU

Yeah wasn't counting Gesell but forgot about Uthoff and Woodbury too. Like I said if Fred was "ignoring" the state of Iowa it's because there wasn't been much talent that has came out of there for a little while. Fred definitely wanted Uthoff and rightfully so

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Yeah wasn't counting Gesell but forgot about Uthoff and Woodbury too. Like I said if Fred was "ignoring" the state of Iowa it's because there wasn't been much talent that has came out of there for a little while. Fred definitely wanted Uthoff and rightfully so

I couldn't find that FH offered Woodbury, but I'm not saying they didn't.

 

[khawk4]

If he had to split time with Josh Ogelsby do you really want him to get more playing time? He obviously isn't very good if he wasn't already getting a big share of the 2 spot over him

I agree. The problem a lot of people had with Fran's handling with Ogelsby was he played him too much. Fran would continually say that Josh would light it up in practice, but then he would play him in a game, and he would be just completely ineffective. Finally, about half way through the year, he started to give half his mins to Jok, and eventually started Jok, and thats when Jok had some pretty decent games. Im not saying Jok is worlds better than Ogelsby, but he is a more dynamic player for sure. Josh had some nice games, sure, but hes defense was just O.K, and if the jump shot wasnt there, there was absolutely nothing he could do offensively. At least Jok had the ability to be somewhat effective on the dibble drive. The other early knock on Jok was he was lazy defensively, but once he played better on the D side, thats when his mins improved.

And as far as the "recruiting rules" as we are calling them lol, im not saying the ONLY rule is to recruit instate, but for a state like Iowa that isnt too bad at HS talent, shuttling kids to your school can be important, especially once that big fish comes around. Thats all

 

[PerkyForHerky]

I guess another way to look at this is by asking yourself the question:

Would you rather have the currently 16th ranked player in the class of 2018 or the 95th ranked player in the class of 2016?

I think 95% of fans - hawks or clones - would go with the latter.

According to Rivals rating system:

Five Stars:

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  6.1 Franchise player who is in the elite of the elite. College superstar and upper end lottery pick after one year of college.
• 
  6.0 An elite prospect. Will dominate in college. Pegged as a first-round draft pick after a year or two of college.
• 
  5.9 A five-star prospect, who is expected to have an immediate impact on the college game. Should be a solid NBA prospect with some development in college.

Four Stars:

• 
  5.8 Either a unique prospect with a good possibility of developing into a NBA prospect or a great college prospect who will garner all conference recognition during his career.
• 
  5.7 A four-star prospect who is capable of playing a significant role for an upper end high-major program.

So a 5 star is projected to be elite, a 4 star should have a significant role.

Not everyone may agree with you on your statement.