Joe Wieskamp 2018

[32Cyclone Fan]

You keep saying that. HOW did he regress? Just because you keep saying it, doesnt make it true. Want to look at some numbers? He improved is PPG, APG, TOPG, FG%, and 3PT% (just to name a few), all while playing four less games. Look at the numbers. Now, how in the WORLD is that regressing?

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cbk/players.asp?id=97656

From looking at his career averages I can see how each could come to the conclusion you did with the criteria being regressed from his junior to senior year. It is an entirely different story though if you would have added his sophomore year into that equation. Since all three years were very close in minutes played per game this is my opinion which might be a little different than either one of yours but I am merely stating which of his last three years did he have the best numbers.

Sophomore and Senior Tied for Same # of APG and least TO per game.

Sophomore best year for most Blocks, FG% and 3PT%

Junior best year played most minutes per game, Rebounds, FT%

Senior best year for PPG, Steals per game, Worst year for fouls but still less than 2 average per game

I felt like he deserved more playing time as a freshman but I guess Fran didn't see it that way. By the above criteria I would say his best year was his sophomore year.

 

[32Cyclone Fan]

Lol, sure you want to talk down an AA? There are a lot of people that rack up stats on teams where they have to, but there's a reason ISU players were in the running for national awards and White wasn't.

Aaron White had the whole team on his shoulders. He didn't have 5 other team mates besides him averaging in double figures. As for Morris leading the conference in assists, he was one of the top in the nation and set all time NCAA records for assist to turnover ratio the last two seasons. I would put that as pretty elite whether or not he ever gets drafted.

 

[32Cyclone Fan]

Niang, Morris, McKay as elite?

Aaron White was top 5 in both points and rebounds in the conference. I didn't see where Niang, Morris, McKay did that. Morris led the league in assists.

Elite? I'd love to hear your definition of elite.

Game on!

In Conference games only as you listed for Iowa players.

Monte Morris 1st in assists (5.44) could have had more if not for Georges (3.17) good for 10th as a point forward, 1st in assist to T/O (4.08/1) (and set an NCAA record and lead the nation the last two years), Tied for 2nd conference in steals per game, 2nd in FG% at 51.8%.

Niang 5th in points per game in spite of 5 to 7 ISU players averaging in double figures all season long, only 10th in assists but how many power forwards have 3.17 per game? 2nd in 3pt% at 45.3%. He was still good enough for 1st team Big 12 along with Monte Morris.

McKay 3rd in rebounds, 2nd Blocks

Naz Long in spite of ailing from mid February when he didn't shoot many threes he still was 6th in 3pt shots made per game and 7th in 3pt% at 40.5%. He has since had two surgeries and hope he will return to form next season.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=1087464

 

[hoiballin33]

Came to this thread for recruiting news.

Leaving this thread to avoid the infusion of hawkeye fan drivel.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Things I've learned from this thread today:

1. Great players do not work in Fran's system, so that is why he recruits scrubs that won't break his system.

>>Insisting that the #16 player per ESPN is a scrub.


You must be a special person.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Game on!

In Conference games only as you listed for Iowa players.

Monte Morris 1st in assists (5.44) could have had more if not for Georges (3.17) good for 10th as a point forward, 1st in assist to T/O (4.08/1) (and set an NCAA record and lead the nation the last two years), Tied for 2nd conference in steals per game, 2nd in FG% at 51.8%.

Niang 5th in points per game in spite of 5 to 7 ISU players averaging in double figures all season long, only 10th in assists but how many power forwards have 3.17 per game? 2nd in 3pt% at 45.3%. He was still good enough for 1st team Big 12 along with Monte Morris.

McKay 3rd in rebounds, 2nd Blocks

Naz Long in spite of ailing from mid February when he didn't shoot many threes he still was 6th in 3pt shots made per game and 7th in 3pt% at 40.5%. He has since had two surgeries and hope he will return to form next season.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=1087464

Why does every paragraph include an excuse of some sort? Any attempt for excuses to Iowa players' stats in this thread is torn apart, but excuses for ISU players is right on par.

No bias, no bias at all. Iowa fans are just going to have to accept that not everyone can be Duke, Kentucky or Iowa State, I'm starting to gather.

 

[CyTwins]

>>Insisting that the #16 player per ESPN is a scrub.


You must be a special person.

I don't think anyone is saying he is a scrub. He could end up being a Marcus Paige or he could end up being a Peter Jok/JR Angle. I think he'll end up being somewhere in the middle but still be a top 100 player

 

[Spam]

>>Insisting that the #16 player per ESPN is a scrub.


You must be a special person.

Don't know about scrub, but 16 ranked player in a class leap years away is an unknown. Big time risk by Fran. But when as a program you're trying to move from below average to average, you have to take risks like this.

 

[isu81]

Came to this thread for recruiting news.

Leaving this thread to avoid the infusion of hawkeye fan drivel.

Only on CycloneFanatic could some 15 year old kid who we offered but committed to the Hawks lead to a 29 page thread. Obviously, we wanted him or would not have offered. Simply tip your cap and move on. There are plenty of players out there. The guy grew up a Hawk fan and just finished 9th grade!!!

How you people let a Hawk fan, whether a reasonable one or some of the idiots on here, get under your skin so easily is one of the great mysteries of this board to me.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Don't know about scrub, but 16 ranked player in a class leap years away is an unknown. Big time risk by Fran. But when as a program you're trying to move from below average to average, you have to take risks like this.

Stating that a team that makes it to the round of 32 is currently below average.

Where does that rank ISU and UAB?

 

[PerkyForHerky]

I don't think anyone is saying he is a scrub. He could end up being a Marcus Paige or he could end up being a Peter Jok/JR Angle. I think he'll end up being somewhere in the middle but still be a top 100 player

Is it really fair to measure Jok as a "scrub" after his sophomore season? In Iowa State years, he's not even eligible for the roster yet. Should the jury not wait at least one more year?

 

[CyTwins]

Is it really fair to measure Jok as a "scrub" after his sophomore season? In Iowa State years, he's not even eligible for the roster yet. Should the jury not wait at least one more year?

He's been a scrub so far, he could end up being decent but I doubt it. It's not like Iowa has a long list of top freshman recruits that ended up being busts that I could choose from

 

[Gunnerclone]

Is it really fair to measure Jok as a "scrub" after his sophomore season? In Iowa State years, he's not even eligible for the roster yet. Should the jury not wait at least one more year?

He's old enough to ride a moped, he's old enough to ride a moped intoxicated, and he's old enough to ride a moped after getting his license taken away for riding a moped while intoxicated, and not be suspended even for a half of an exhibition game. I think he's old enough to be judged.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

He's old enough to ride a moped, he's old enough to ride a moped intoxicated, and he's old enough to ride a moped after getting his license taken away for riding a moped while intoxicated, and not be suspended even for a half of an exhibition game. I think he's old enough to be judged.

Can't 14 year olds ride mopeds in the state of Iowa? I know that 14 year olds are capable of obtaining alcohol while underage if they try hard enough.

You should post again. Make some kind of correlation between what I said and what you want to say this time.

 

[khawk4]

First post I read in this thread is saying something about Adam Woodbury getting 15 and 8. I now have a wet pillow from spitting my water out.

Well, if read in context- What was brought up was Iowa being a bubble team without White. And I agreed and said, we would need a big year from Uthoff, which I expect, a big year from Woody (15 and 8), which I dont expect or are counting on, and/or a freshman stepping up. Hell, ill take 10 and 8 from Woody and be happy as a clam.

 

[Spam]

This might be the best thing that has happened to Hawkeye basketball in recent decades. And yes, I am aware of the appearance in a national championship game. I'm happy for the Hawkeyes.

 

[khawk4]

You aren't getting anything close to that production from him so what do you mean you need it from him? Like you won't make the NIT if he doesn't put up those numbers?

Well, I came to those numbers because that was close to the combined numbers we got from Olesani and Woody. Now, granted 15 and 8 is pretty lofty, so Ill back track a bit. Ill take 10 and 6-8 from him. He has shown flashes of that ability, but he hasnt be able to string together any consistency with it at all. Again, not expecting or counting on it, just saying he's going to be getting bulk of the mins now that Gabe is gone, so it may be possible. He just has to stop with the stupid fouls.

 

[khawk4]

This might be the best thing that has happened to Hawkeye basketball in recent decades. And yes, I am aware of the appearance in a national championship game. I'm happy for the Hawkeyes.

From a recruiting stand point, if he stays were he is now, I would 100% agree with year. Thats a huge "if", I know, but Iowa hasnt gotten a recruit that high in my lifetime, I know that. Gotten close in the 80s, but not like this

 

[CloneinWDSM]

Well, if read in context- What was brought up was Iowa being a bubble team without White. And I agreed and said, we would need a big year from Uthoff, which I expect, a big year from Woody (15 and 8), which I dont expect or are counting on, and/or a freshman stepping up. Hell, ill take 10 and 8 from Woody and be happy as a clam.

Your expectations may be a bit high. You should probably be happy any time he doesn't eye poke someone, if he dunks a ball in a game, or if he blocks 1 shot per game.

 

[khawk4]

Don't know about scrub, but 16 ranked player in a class leap years away is an unknown. Big time risk by Fran. But when as a program you're trying to move from below average to average, you have to take risks like this.

Big risk my taking a commit like that? Yes and no. Yes, because youre right, he's light years away from coming to campus. No, because hes a huge talent thats in state, and the first rule of coaching college is to lock down the borders, and thats what Fran did. If he committed to ISU, would you say ISU is taking a huge risk?

Lastly, Id like to think of us as average right now, trying to move above average, thank you very much