*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Sunday, June 7 ***

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We don't have half the money, and we don't have half the allure.

Nevertheless, Smart is a perfect example of what I am suggesting. He was getting 1.8 million at a non-P5 and not on that list. Yet, you damn well better believe he would have people excited and we would double his pay (within that $3 to $4 million range)...and that it would be needed to get him to move.

A guy at Michigan is not moving just for 500k, probably not even 1 million. I could be wrong, but I am guessing there is a reason Jeremy liked my initial comment saying you should look outside that list.

Here's the reality:

$1.5 million is $1.5 million regardless of if you make $1 million or $2 million.

This isn't a billionaire we're talking about.

What matters is the actually extra money.
 
Just to clarify - I said we "could" afford that amount (I posted more about it a week or so ago) but that doesn't mean we would or will go that high. JP is cheap, very cheap, and his target is in the 1.25-1.75 range. Again, as I talked about at length a week ago, Leath's whole purpose in being involved is to make sure money isn't the only factor as the theoretical ceiling is much higher than JP likes to admit.
 
You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. All I said was that these guys with comfortable jobs have more room to ******** a price that's higher than their current salary by a lot because if the other side of the negotiations says no, they still have their jobs still making a good salary.

Why don't you actually explain it with an example.

If the most money you can make in your profession is 400K, and someone offers to pay you that, you're going to consider it no matter if you already make 200k or 300k.

I don't think that ISU is going to be giving a $2 million raise to a level between $3 million and $4 million to a coach who is making under $1.5 million right now.

Give me an example of who you think it could possibly be. Because when you look at it, it's absurd.
 
Just to clarify - I said we "could" afford that amount (I posted more about it a week or so ago) but that doesn't mean we would or will go that high. JP is cheap, very cheap, and his target is in the 1.25-1.75 range. Again, as I talked about at length a week ago, Leath's whole purpose in being involved is to make sure money isn't the only factor as the theoretical ceiling is much higher than JP likes to admit.

i would hope the 5 known candidates would be right at a million, not 1.75.
 
Oh ******. Duke lost in the first round as a 3 seed two years ago. NO WAY THEY'RE GONNA GO PAST THE FIRST ROUND THE YEAR AFTER, RIGHT?!?!
Exactly- we are not Duke. Don't equate (overrated) teams to programs.

Don't be so insecure by the fact we lost in the first round and return the same caliber of team. The point was we have an okay team returning that in general over-preformed last year by playing Hoiball, followed by huge holes in upcoming years. we don't have universal talent that will excel in any system, and the foundation roster pieces are lacking for the future. Sorry, but that is not enough to make us a particularly alluring program to the type of candidates Rhoads listed. We will need a very large compensating wage, which means you look at guys off the list posted earlier.
 
Catching steam. here are Bomani Jones's thoughts:

Bomani Jones retweeted Jeff Goodman
oh? this could be great for both sides.
Bomani Jones added,
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPNIowa State interviewed several guys this weekend. One name that wasn't mentioned who interviewed, per source: NC Central's LeVelle Moton.





Bomani Jones' show is unlistenable. Because of that, I have no idea if his "endorsement" is good or bad.
 
Just to clarify - I said we "could" afford that amount (I posted more about it a week or so ago) but that doesn't mean we would or will go that high. JP is cheap, very cheap, and his target is in the 1.25-1.75 range. Again, as I talked about at length a week ago, Leath's whole purpose in being involved is to make sure money isn't the only factor as the theoretical ceiling is much higher than JP likes to admit.

You said "would command 3+, with one being around 4.". But if that's what you meant it certainly makes more sense than the previous posts.

It was a fun discussion while it lasted though.
 
Thanks... Is this what others think as well? Or would his benefits outweigh the negatives?

I'll be frank. It's a zero percent hypothetical so I'll give it 0% of my thought. I don't get 0% hypotheticals. I barely get the 1% hypotheticals that are floating around.
 
Exactly- we are not Duke. Don't equate (overrated) teams to programs.

Don't be so insecure by the fact we lost in the first round and return the same caliber of team. The point was we have an okay team returning that in general over-preformed last year by playing Hoiball, followed by huge holes in upcoming years. we don't have universal talent that will excel in any system, and the foundation roster pieces are lacking for the future. Sorry, but that is not enough to make us a particularly alluring program to the type of candidates Rhoads listed. We will need a very large compensating wage, which means you look at guys off the list posted earlier.

Good lord swarth, get a ******* grip. You're the one that keeps harping on losing to UAB as if it means ANYTHING for next year. It doesn't.

Not surprised you think it does though.
 
Trent Johnson makes $1.5 mil at TCU. Sure, he has experience, but it's TCU. Tubby Smith makes $1.6 mil at Tech (again, I know it's Tubby, but it's also Tech). It's baffling to me that JP appears to want to hand the keys to what could be a Final Four, Big 12 title-contending team to a guy meriting as little as $1.25 mil.
 
Just to clarify - I said we "could" afford that amount (I posted more about it a week or so ago) but that doesn't mean we would or will go that high. JP is cheap, very cheap, and his target is in the 1.25-1.75 range. Again, as I talked about at length a week ago, Leath's whole purpose in being involved is to make sure money isn't the only factor as the theoretical ceiling is much higher than JP likes to admit.

If JP only wants to spend between 1.25 and 1.75 million, that is disappointing on so many levels.

If that's truly the case, then just hire TJ right now and get this over with. He's easily the best candidate we could get in that price range IMO.

Now.... if we're willing to go to 3.5 or 4 million, then I think that brings in some names like Dixon, Gottfried, maybe a Jay Wright even in to play and that would be VERY exciting.

I wish JP could make a splash hire like we did with Johnny Orr, but if he is intent on spending less than 2 million, we might as well just announce TJ tomorrow and move on.
 
Here's the reality:

$1.5 million is $1.5 million regardless of if you make $1 million or $2 million.

This isn't a billionaire we're talking about.

What matters is the actually extra money.
Wow, I underestimated you. Yes, $1.5 million is $1.5 million.

Think about the Smart example- it took Texas for him to jump, while he passed up $1.5 Million dollar raises several times. ISU is not going to get a guy in a better job to jump in June for $500k to $1 Million. This is not you we are talking about, but millionaires that know these are not once in a lifetime offers.

Compensating wage, at ISU that means paying more than you would think.
 
I'll be frank. It's a zero percent hypothetical so I'll give it 0% of my thought. I don't get 0% hypotheticals. I barely get the 1% hypotheticals that are floating around.
It doesn't really have anything to do with Calipari, it's more to do with would Iowa State fans back someone who is widely known as a cheat if that person would win at ISU. Calipari's just the most recognizable name in that regard.
 
Just to clarify - I said we "could" afford that amount (I posted more about it a week or so ago) but that doesn't mean we would or will go that high. JP is cheap, very cheap, and his target is in the 1.25-1.75 range. Again, as I talked about at length a week ago, Leath's whole purpose in being involved is to make sure money isn't the only factor as the theoretical ceiling is much higher than JP likes to admit.

Is this post due to new information on our mystery candidates, or just a 'pump the breaks a bit' post?
 
Jamie Dixon would be alright. I liked watching his Pitt teams in the Big East but he always seems to falter come tourney time.

Trent Johnson makes $1.5 mil at TCU. Sure, he has experience, but it's TCU. Tubby Smith makes $1.6 mil at Tech (again, I know it's Tubby, but it's also Tech). It's baffling to me that JP appears to want to hand the keys to what could be a Final Four, Big 12 title-contending team to a guy meriting as little as $1.25 mil.

And rumor has it this TJ character doesn't have any HC experience. I know it's a rumor but that's the word on the street
 
It doesn't really have anything to do with Calipari, it's more to do with would Iowa State fans back someone who is widely known as a cheat if that person would win at ISU. Calipari's just the most recognizable name in that regard.

That's still a 0% chance. JP isn't hiring a guy with that kind of history.
 
Wow, I underestimated you. Yes, $1.5 million is $1.5 million.

Think about the Smart example- it took Texas for him to jump, while he passed up $1.5 Million dollar raises several times. ISU is not going to get a guy in a better job to jump in June for $500k to $1 Million. This is not you we are talking about, but millionaires that know these are not once in a lifetime offers.

Compensating wage, at ISU that means paying more than you would think.

The market is in ISU's favor then.

Give me a coach right now making $1.5 million or less that you would pay "3+ or 4 million".

Just give me your honest options. Neither of you will. Because it would sound ridiculous.

The market is more important than what the individual coach currently makes.
 
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