I said exactly that. "If we have three seasons in a row with just two or three wins, I think that's a situation where we have to replace our coach."
Bowl or Bust
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Exactly. No matter what a program's history or tradition have been in the past, the modern state of college football has too much money and exposure on the line to keep dragging feet in the sand.
If the 2015 team goes 2-10 and loses to UNI, the decision should be pretty simple.
IF we win 5 or 6 games we probably will not replace our coach. We really have no idea how this coming season will play out.
The five wins better be damn good and better show that the program will get that 6th or 7th win next year.
Tell us how you won't buy Iowa State football season tickets anymore or make your Cyclone Club donation............ooops......you don't do that now.
Yeah, you're just repeating what I'm saying...
This is the dumbest argument ever. If you can afford to buy season tickets and it's worthwhile (i.e. you can go to majority of the games) and you can donate, then good for you. If you don't donate, it doesn't make you less of a fan.
Does not make you less of a fan. But if the fan who does not buy tickets or make donations quits supporting the Cyclones, it really doesn't matter.
I did both last season, despite living in Kansas and eventually moving to Texas. I've been pretty active role with the Texas Alumni Chapters as well, despite living 2 hours from any of them. Carry on.
It should go without saying, but for some reason needs to be stated here... Anyone, in any field, that makes $1M+ a year, is held to a much greater level of results. If CPR made only $50K, then yeah, just getting a team on the field and winning a game or 2 would suffice. But if you are a CEO level person, making CEO level money, and lead a major program anywhere (sports or otherwise) you must produce results, or you get canned. Happens all the time. CPR simply has not produced to what most ISU fans expect - and as stated on this thread, our expectations are not that much.
Food for thought, we fired Mac, who had built us up into a respectable program where we won all the games that we should have, and we were competitive across the board in the ones we lost. In his last 7 years, he got us to 0.500 or better in CONFERENCE, 4 times. And he got us to 0.500 or better for the season 5 of those 7 years. And yet we FIRED him. Why? Because once we got used to being competitive, we wanted more.
We now have had CPR for 6 years, and his only winning season was his first (with Chizik's players). And, he has had ZERO winning seasons in conference play. Clearly, under CPR we have dropped well below competitive standards. As an ISU fan, I believe we should be able to get 4-5 CONFERENCE wins every year. Mac had us there, and we need to find a coach that can do the same. Heck, perhaps we should bring Mac back here. After all his time in Texas, he should have a wealth of recruiting contacts built up.
I am surprised that folks are willing to say that 4-5 wins makes CPR successful (this coming season, or any season). Think how cool it would be if we had won 7 games two of the last 3 seasons. That is what Mac did when we fired him...
Food for thought, we fired Mac, who had built us up into a respectable program where we won all the games that we should have, and we were competitive across the board in the ones we lost. In his last 7 years, he got us to 0.500 or better in CONFERENCE, 4 times. And he got us to 0.500 or better for the season 5 of those 7 years. And yet we FIRED him. Why? Because once we got used to being competitive, we wanted more.
We now have had CPR for 6 years, and his only winning season was his first (with Chizik's players). And, he has had ZERO winning seasons in conference play. Clearly, under CPR we have dropped well below competitive standards. As an ISU fan, I believe we should be able to get 4-5 CONFERENCE wins every year. Mac had us there, and we need to find a coach that can do the same. Heck, perhaps we should bring Mac back here. After all his time in Texas, he should have a wealth of recruiting contacts built up.
I am surprised that folks are willing to say that 4-5 wins makes CPR successful (this coming season, or any season). Think how cool it would be if we had won 7 games two of the last 3 seasons. That is what Mac did when we fired him...
I think Mac would be a pretty good hire actually. He wouldn't get much support from the majority though.
That was not the reason DMac was fired........or forced to resign. Recruiting had pretty much completely dried up. We had 4 commitments at the time DMac resigned. The prospects were slim and recruits were showing no interest. DMac was having trouble getting and retaining good assistant coaches. At the time of DMac's resignation we were winless in the conference.
Iowa State was playing in a very weak Big 12 North Division at that time. And the meltdowns in what would have been Division Championship games did not help DMac either. The firing of DMac did not result in improvement in our college football record with the hiring of Gene Chizik. And like it or not, the lack of success by Chizik is probably helping CPR retain his job for the coming season. Plus the fact that Coaching Roulette at Kansas has not been successful at all either.
Should remember that most of Mac's success came in 12 team league, in years that we didn't half to play OU and UT.
Valid point. But OU and UT in the CPR era are not what they were in Dan's day. Actually, the Big XII has been fairly pedestrian the past 3-4 years, allowing opportunistic programs like K State, TCU and Baylor to rise to the top. Paul's struggles in years 3-6 of his tenure have represented a huge missed opportunity for ISU football. OU and UT will be back and it will make things that much more challenging.
Can't wait until the season starts and CPR has Iowa State in a bowl game again to shut a lot of the idiots up.
42 bowl games?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12587930/tucson-little-rock-want-host-bowl-games
Simply making a bowl game this day in age doesn't mean much. Yes, I realize not all invitations are created equal. Teams have more difficult paths for post season play than others, yada yada.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12587930/tucson-little-rock-want-host-bowl-games
Simply making a bowl game this day in age doesn't mean much. Yes, I realize not all invitations are created equal. Teams have more difficult paths for post season play than others, yada yada.
So we can hear from all of the "I've had season tickets since 1982 and Paul Rhoads is the greatest coach we've ever had, I never once doubted him!" idiots instead? It's a lose-lose situation...either way, we'll be hearing from idiots.