Bowl or Bust
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Won't survive 2-3 wins.
I am a big Paul Rhoads fan. I think he is a good man, but in hindsight we can see the mistakes. Hopefully, he has corrected them and is growing into being a great HC and a loyal one.
I am a big Paul Rhoads fan. I think he is a good man, but in hindsight we can see the mistakes. Hopefully, he has corrected them and is growing into being a great HC and a loyal one.
I didnt read the whole thread. But right or wrong, I don't think it comes down to a number of wins per se. I think Pollard will use the eye test. How competitive do we look? Do we lose some heart breakers on a bad call? Do we have more key injuries. Does it look like the team has given up? Etc. Not saying that's how it should be. But I bet that's how it is. If we only win 4 games but battle down to the last possession in several others......I think CPR stays. If we lose to UNI though or have 3 or less wins......then yeah.....I think he might be packing. Also, will Pollard's near death experience affect his decision? I.e. total change of perspective on what's important in life.
By definition, putting together a team capable of winning 8 games, and sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't seems to be the definition of winning an average of 8 games. Unless you mean occasionally putting together a team capable of winning 8 games, and sometimes those particular teams achieve that total and sometimes they don't. If this is your argument, then that is a more reasonable position.
I'm not happy with mediocre expectations, but I have to be content with realistic expectations. Otherwise, I will be perpetually disappointed that ISU can't contend for the conference every year. The chances of ISU hiring someone that will perform even marginally better than CPR is very small. The chances of ISU hiring someone that will field a team that consistently capable of wining 8 games is infinitely small. If you keep aspiring to that goal, you're just going to end up chasing your tail and starting over every 3-5 years. I'd rather see if CPR can turn this around this year and get it headed in the right direction again.
I agree that blame for the performance of the past two seasons falls on CPR. However, I do not feel that, given ISU's history, it would be smart or fair to fire him after those two seasons. If we have another 2 or 3 or probably 4 and maybe 5 win season this year, we need to go in another direction. However, to expect any coach that comes here to never have a 3 win season is just not realistic, even in year 5 or 6. It is just too hard to consistently hit on 2 and 3 star recruits year after year without having any miss years. It's somewhat akin to playing the lottery because the type of recruits we have to go after require a lot more speculation and projection as to where they will end up as opposed to a 5 star kid. that is, it's much harder to identify diamonds in the rough.
Nobody is saying that winning football games is anywhere near as important as life and death or many other issues for that matter. But when you're playing in the big leagues and making more money in one year than a lot of people make in a lifetime, there are expectations to meet to keep your job. Getting to at least a minor bowl game most years and playing well there most of the time aren't unrealistic expectations for getting paid millions.
Completely agree. Was just trying to predict what Pollard is going to do. I'd like to think bowl game or bust, but I think there will be many other factors that play into it. Of course, ticket sales is a huge huge factor.
Big difference is Earl had been here only 3 years and even the most demanding fans should realize it takes 4-5 years for a coach to get in most of his own players, develop them and establish his program. Fortunately the AD did and the next 3 were 3 of the best in ISU history.
I was attending ISU at the time. The grumblings were loud. ISU had just been to 2 consecutive Bowl games under Johnny Majors. Earle Bruce did not take over a team that was terrible. And we had 3 consecutive 4-7 seasons. Many fans felt the football program had regressed and that Earle should be fired.
CycloneErik
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I would definitely want Stormin to have my back on any issue. Having said that, reading his posts in this thread make me think of this guy:
Kansas football probably just fired that guy.
It's going to be another losing season for Rhoads, the question is whether starting over with a new coach is going to change anything. There's a high probability that Dan McCarney is the high water mark for ISU football. That may be viewed as the wrong attitude by some, but it is the reality.
No one knows whether the coming season will be a losing season or not. No one really knows. That is why they play the games.
I think we all have a pretty good idea that it is going to be another losing season.
The same thing was said back in 1976 after we had 3 consecutive 4 win seasons under Coach Earle Bruce. No one predicted a bowl game in 2009.. No one knows.
If you are capable of winning 8 games, it does not mean that you'll average 8 games. I think you can look at CPR's first 4 years and argue they were capable of winning 8, though they certainly weren't averaging that. It's all about if you are competitive in games. In the first 4 years it felt like we had a chance to win any game. Now it just feels like we are a high school team playing against the NFL. That shouldn't happen this far into a tenure, we shouldn't be back to square one at this point.
If everyone wants to just accept that 5 win seasons is a goal then fine, I guess I'll be the only one that's disappointed.
If everyone wants to just accept that 5 win seasons is a goal then fine, I guess I'll be the only one that's disappointed.
In all honesty, the 2009 team overachieved. Extremely fortunate to get all the right bounces and win 7 games. Same thing for many of the games in the 2010, 2011, and 2012 seasons. 2013 and 2014 seasons saw tons of injuries and plenty of heartbreaks.
It all comes down to breaks of the game. The 2009 game against Nebraska with the immense amount of turnovers by the Huskers was unbelievable. 5 wins in a season is not our goal. Our goals are higher than that. The question is if we do not meet our goals do we fire our coach and staff. History suggests that Iowa State gives more chances than most.
A better question is WHAT are YOU doing to help Iowa State Football achieve the goals you set for them? Complaining on a message board does not help in case you are wondering.
While this may be true, there are a lot of people that use a lot more thought than a shrug of the shoulders, and all of those people are going to assume ISU is going to have a losing record. No one may know, but there's a lot of money to be made in Vegas if you think they'll go .500 or better.