An appreciation

BandDad

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I picked this game at 73-68 and was told that predicting holding ISU under 80 was bold. I didn't know your team, but I knew about mine.

I want to take a moment to express my appreciation for how I have been treated on this board. When I first got here there were a number of threads that were cocky, bordering on arrogant, waiting for some yahoo to show up from UAB claiming that we had a chance to win. You sounded like a pretty typical P5 team looking down on a pissant little mid-major from C-USA. Then we got to talking and it all smoothed out. I watched some video and looked at stats and while I knew we had a chance I went to Louisville fully prepared to see the kids lose. I was ok with it because we had overachieved and I figured that the tournament experience would be good for the young'uns.

You guys took a tough loss, and fell to a team that wasn't in your league, both literally and figuratively. I come back over here and while there are a few butthurt posts, mostly it's because you feel like the team didn't perform to their potential, that they didn't put out enough effort, that they were distracted, etc. I see damn little whining, no blaming the refs, none of the usual message board crap. I could pull a bunch of your quotes but I won't bother - you wrote them and you've read most of them.

You guys are refreshing. We used to have to deal with the Memphis and Louisville fans in the conference, and the few nice guys really stood out among all the dicks. The Louisiana Tech fans are still crying today that they lost to us in the tournament in Birmingham (on a neutral floor, not our home court) and how the refs made it happen, that we got lucky to squeak by you and will surely be exposed on Saturday. It's ridiculous. I want to go over there with a bale of crying towels. We were 6-2 against the top four teams in the league in the regular season, unbeaten at home during conference play, and we lost by 3 to Tech at their place (where they had about a 24 game home win streak going), beat them by 20 at home, then beat them again in the tournament, and they still think we cheated our way in somehow. It's quite a contrast to y'all.

They even chanted "We've got football" at us, the low rent scum. Didn't appreciate that much...

This was a pretty damn good game, if you are able to set aside your expectations. You jumped out early, which made me sweat, because I thought if you built a big lead you'd just cruise. Instead the team dug deep and pulled together and made it a tight game, back and forth.

The other thing is that I thought the refs were pretty good. I don't know that there were any calls that I was really bent about, other than the usual charging/blocks, and those are judgement calls.

Just so you know a few things from our side - William Lee, the kid who won it late and gave Niang fits, was a Top 100 recruit, last year's Mr. Basketball in Alabama. He's gonna be a beast when he grows a bit. True freshman. He didn't do it today, our outside shooting stunk, but he's a damn good three point guy to boot.

Nick Norton, the little white boy point guard, was sick. He gutted it out a bit but he's better than he showed and has a sweet three point stroke. Monte schooled him, but we managed to hold him down some, not that the stat line shows it other than the turnovers.

This is a very young team and they are very team oriented and unselfish, playing whatever role is needed. Mehinti, the forward with the mohawk, got no points today, but had 6 rebounds, 3 blocks and an assist. Chris Cokely is another true freshman, and was Conference Sixth Man. I don't know that I've ever seen a freshman do that. 14 minutes, 4 points, 4 rebounds, an assist and a steal. Tyler Madison, 14 minutes, 11 rebounds, 9 of them offensive.

Robert Brown got 22 points in the conference tournament. The tape showed what he does, and he came out and got 21 today, and he earned them.

We shot like crap all day. Some of that was you, some was just poor shooting and poor shot selection.


One other thing. The talk about not shaking hands. You had two or three players that did not, for whatever reason, but our players were out celebrating at midcourt. You tell them to "act like you been there before", but the reality is that not one of them *had* ever been there before. Your guys got kept waiting and I can't get upset if some of them were hurting and wanted to go or just didn't want to wait. I saw Monte talking to Denzel Watts afterward, they played against each other from middle school on up in Flint, Michigan. Others came over and spoke to Haase.

I think it's a non issue that got blown out of proportion.

I know it hurts still and you're disappointed, and I hope this didn't sound like I came back to gloat. You guys have shown class across the board, and I just wanted to say so.

One other thing - President Watts did go to the game, and was up in a skybox. He peeked out once in a while, but probably watched it on TV, the weasel. I hope that we could be heard well over the television. We're a lot louder at home with several thousand more people joining in. Anyhow, after the game a few of us were standing out front on the sidewalk waiting for our bus to pick us up and Watts came out and walked past us to his SUV with a couple of bodyguards (you ever known a university president that needed bodyguards?) and his fixer lawyer, and this happened. I'm briefly visible as it begins, the guy with the eyepatch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ6U43R0TKo

That's about the only thing that could have happened to make my day better today.

Thanks, guys. You've been fair and kind. You're good fans, proud of a good solid team, and that's uncommon any more. We're gonna try to take out UCLA next. They beat us early when the kids were green and new and William Lee was not playing, recovering from two knee procedures. I don't think we're the pushover they think we are. We'll see.

It's been a good season for us if we lose Saturday. If we win, well. You know how it goes. I think this team will be back to the dance. We have just two seniors, and only one of them gets any minutes to speak of. We'll be better next year. Maybe we'll see you again.

Jeeze I'm longwinded. Still have not wound down from today. Later.
 
I'll say first hand I started one of the threads about the UAB Forum that could border on cocky, but more just kind of laughing because nobody knew much about ISU because we were ranked all year.

With that being said, there is sometimes a lot of whining about refs, but most people on here know that 99.99999999% of the time the refs are not to blame, minus a few games ISU has been apart of with Fred Hoiberg where the NCAA literally changed rules after what happened. I think a lot of ISU fans would agree that there's kind of a saying that you should always be ready to grab a nutcup as an ISU fan because something is bound to happen in either football or basketball to **** you off. Even though this is true, I think most of us can easily differentiate between bad reffing and just flat out bad playing.

I think part of the cockiness in some people comes from kind of new found success. ISU had success in part of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s but after the 2001 upset to 15th seeded Hampton, things kind of fell off. I mean there was an NIT semifinals and an NCAA win between 2001 and 2009, but still. Most people around the country do not respect ISU too much. In 2010, ISU hired Hoiberg. In 2012, they made the NCAA tournament for the first time since 2005. For the next few years we'd been competing at a high level with the Big 12, but still not much respect. You'd even see on Twitter how ****** people were to be losing to "IOWA STATE!?!?!" That kind of changed last year with the national spotlight and this year it kind of took off where a lot of people were talking about us. People began to respect us for once on a national level.



In any case, you're right. The thing is that we've been following our guys all year long. They put up one of the worst, if not the worst performance of the season against UAB. Definitely credit goes to UAB for not being intimidated by ISU, not going away when ISU was up 10 early, and also beating the living **** out of ISU on the glass. I think 99% of us could recognize this fact and even if the reffing sucked (it was OK - I think there were some missed calls but that happens every game), we know enough about our team to know that if we were playing to our usual selves then any bad reffing we knew wasn't the reason for much of anything.


I don't know if it was the moment of the tournament (this is why I love the tournament so much), but you guys put up one of the best rebounding performances against us any team has this year. Maybe it was because we weren't hitting shots/layups we almost always do, but it seems that it was really bad on us and good on you. I mean as good if not better than anything Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, etc has done in recent memory.

I like your team - you have some talented guys and a young team. If they continue to improve, I think we'll be seeing them in the NCAA tournament at least once more. After watching this game and knowing how many shots we missed that we almost always make, I'm confident that ISU would win a 5 game series for sure (hope this doesn't come across as cocky). However, UAB took advantage of it and that's great. I'll be rooting for UAB the rest of the way because let's be honest, if UAB wasn't playing ISU in the first game I'd be rooting for them anyway. Even though Mike Anderson isn't, I still remember those games from the tournament of a handful of years ago and that's how I remember UAB basketball even if it's not how things are today. I still remember a reverse behind the head pass for a fast break in an upset win those games and how excited I got.

So yeah, I'm disappointed and others are too. It'll take awhile to sink in and most people here know we played like crap (no offense), but UAB did a great job on the boards and took advantage where many teams elite teams this year couldn't even do that. So props for UAB for that and I'll be hoping they beat UCLA (even though it's my dad's alma mater).
 
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BandDad, Thanks for posting you were always respectful and informative, that's hard to find on the internet these days. Good luck on the rest of the season. More importantly good luck on getting out from under your BoT thumb. Hope you get rid of Ray Watts.
 
TL/DR but I did scan it - thanks for the kind comments. Your guys took it to us and deserved to win.
 
I want to chime in here. As a Blazer fan, I haven't seen anything on your message board that I have considered offensive toward us. I filled out three brackets on the CBS site. On two of the brackets, I did pick UAB but I was picking with my heart and not with my head. My third bracket, I had the Cyclones in the Final Four. And yes, in a five game series, you guys would win that series- not a doubt in my mind about that. But I am proud of the Blazers for beating what I consider a great team. Slackers just don't win the Big 12 Tournament two years in a row.

The biggest factor in this game was UAB's ability to get offensive boards. If that doesn't happen. UAB wouldn't have won.

Thanks for being a classy group of folks. Quite a change from dealing with bama fans.

I wish you guys all the best next season.
 
I'll be cheering for you all against UCLA and Alford (speaking of low-life scum).
 
We got 52 rebounds. That's effort. The other side of it, as Haase said this morning, is that it was *too many* rebounds, because many times we were rebounding our own missed shots.

I knew our team was better than the record because the season was front-loaded with tough OOC games, we were very young, and William Lee was not playing. I know that the take from outside was that we got better because we started playing teams in our conference, and there's some truth to that in that the bottom half of C-USA sucks swamp water, but I also knew that the record after December got better because the team got a lot better.

I know that I am much more aware of the Cyclones than I was before and I'll be pulling for them. I guess I'm just not the type to pull for Enormous State University with all the money and resources in the world. It would be easier to pull for teams like Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, but it's just not who I am. Love my Blazers.

You guys showed class, and I just wanted to say so. I didn't mean to run off at the mouth and rub salt in the wound when you were still raw.
 
And yes, in a five game series, you guys would win that series- not a doubt in my mind about that. But I am proud of the Blazers for beating what I consider a great team. Slackers just don't win the Big 12 Tournament two years in a row.

The biggest factor in this game was UAB's ability to get offensive boards. If that doesn't happen. UAB wouldn't have won.

Yes, the rebounding part was huge. Although I want to point out it was just a one possession game. Georges Niang missed at least 5 shots he usually makes in his sleep even with shot blockers on him. If he would have made 1 or 2 of those even that he always makes , the game could have gone to ISU. Not placing blame on Niang, just stating how the game could have gone even if you guys pummeled us on the glass.

IMO I consider this kind of the perfect storm of an upset in the NCAA tournament like when Princeton beat UCLA in 1996. You might not win this game anytime but once in a 5 game series, but all you need is to win it once to move on.

Congrats again.
 
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Yes, the rebounding part was huge. Although I want to point out it was just a one possession game. Georges Niang missed at least 5 shots he usually makes in his sleep even with shot blockers on him. If he would have made 1 or 2 of those even that he always makes , the game could have gone to ISU. Not placing blame on Niang, just stating how the game could have gone even if you guys pummeled us on the glass.

IMO I consider this kind of the perfect storm of an upset in the NCAA tournament like when Princeton beat UCLA in 1996. You might not win this game anytime but once in a 5 game series, but all you need is to win it once to move on.

Congrats again.

I would agree that the biggest factor wasn't offensive boards, but it was a huge factor. And UAB players were fighting hard for every rebound. They played with a lot of heart. Even though ISU is the much more skilled and talented team, UAB caught them on a bad day and capitalized on the opportunity; that is why I have to tip my cap to them. I do hope UAB beats UCLA tomorrow too.
 

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