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ISU 2nd Toughest Power 5 job

UNIPantherFan said:
According to ESPN...
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/name/2015-toughest-jobs

Agree? They make some pretty compelling arguments in terms of conference schedule, geography, and recruiting.
I hope Rhoads turns it around this season.
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I think that it's a stupid premise. If you are good enough at evaluating and developing talent, you can win anywhere. Just look at all the 1AA/D2 players in the NFL draft. Contrary to popular sportswriter belief, Ames isn't Siberia. ISU has really good facilities and fan support. If they can get talent to BSU and NDSU, the right coach can get talent to Ames.
 
Frak said:
I think that it's a stupid premise. If you are good enough at evaluating and developing talent, you can win anywhere. Just look at all the 1AA/D2 players in the NFL draft. Contrary to popular sportswriter belief, Ames isn't Siberia. ISU has really good facilities and fan support. If they can get talent to BSU and NDSU, the right coach can get talent to Ames.
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I've been thinking this since the early 80s. I guess we haven't had the right coach in place for 30+ years.
 
Frak said:
I think that it's a stupid premise. If you are good enough at evaluating and developing talent, you can win anywhere. Just look at all the 1AA/D2 players in the NFL draft. Contrary to popular sportswriter belief, Ames isn't Siberia. ISU has really good facilities and fan support. If they can get talent to BSU and NDSU, the right coach can get talent to Ames.
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I think the fact there are 1AA and D2 players in the NFL speaks to the fact that its pretty damn tough to evaluate diamonds in the rough. Just because an excellent evaluator of talent can find enough diamonds in the rough to be competitive at a place like ISU doesn't mean its not more difficult to win vs a place where you can just go out and grab the guys who obviously have the most talent. Its not that easy to find a coach that can succeed at ISU. History bears that out. If you think you have the secret formula you should let Pollard know.
 
I've always said if you can go 6-6 at ISU in today's world, that's like 9-3 at schools with the intangibles ISU doesn't get.


ISU can get talent compatible to good bowl teams (not elite), but any type of injury and there just isn't depth. It's so hard to get guys to Ames for visits. However, if Kansas State can rise out of the ashes, ISU can too. Manhattan is even more remote and a little smaller than Ames.
 
I don't know that it's so bad, lots of fans at every game, brand new facilities with more on the way, low expectations for success.
 
I'd think Washington State should be a tougher job. That's a level of isolation we can only dream of.

We're right up there, though. Especially if you factor tradition into a job's difficulty.
 
hoopitup said:
I've been thinking this since the early 80s. I guess we haven't had the right coach in place for 30+ years.
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I believe it. Personality wise guys like Rhoads and McCarney are great fits in Ames but they are far from being the football program's version of Hoiberg in terms of bringing in talent. Hell, they aren't even Floyd, Eustachy, or Orr versions when it comes to bringing in talent.

I'll never buy the "it's cold in Ames" argument. It's colder in plenty of other successful places (i.e. Wisconsin.) If there is a top level coach in Alaska, believe me, top notch football players will go there. Football players are tough enough to play in cold weather (some of the toughest THRIVE in it.)

ISU football needs their version of Bill Snyder to completely change the expectations of the program. Unfortunately we've been waiting on that coach for basically...ever. We've had a few home run moments with coaches, but lack consistency and have never had our "grand slam" coach like Fred.
 
Washington State, Northwestern, Wake Forest, and Duke are all probably harder. Would think Syracuse is up there too.
 
"Ames itself (though beautiful) is not an easy place to recruit to, either. It's cold. And it's remote, relative to some of the other Big 12 campuses."

So NW should be the one of easiest campus' in the Big 10 to recruit to because it's not remote, but it's rated the toughest because of acedemics? And what campus is more remote that Texas Tech?
 
Frak said:
I think that it's a stupid premise. If you are good enough at evaluating and developing talent, you can win anywhere. Just look at all the 1AA/D2 players in the NFL draft. Contrary to popular sportswriter belief, Ames isn't Siberia. ISU has really good facilities and fan support. If they can get talent to Mancrappen, KS, the right coach can get talent to Ames.
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Accurate (with slight aliteration).
 
Frak said:
I think that it's a stupid premise. If you are good enough at evaluating and developing talent, you can win anywhere. Just look at all the 1AA/D2 players in the NFL draft. Contrary to popular sportswriter belief, Ames isn't Siberia. ISU has really good facilities and fan support. If they can get talent to BSU and NDSU, the right coach can get talent to Ames.
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1. Im sorry but in no way would BSU or NDSU survive the Big12, Big10, Pac12, or ACC. They'd have the same problem all the bad teams have. Depth at every single position. I really like those two programs as well, and have bet them many times in a one game situation vs "better teams". Week in and out, not a chance on gods green earth that either of those schools have the talent to survive more then one dream season. Coaching could make Boise like a Kstate, but they don't have that any longer. So.
2. Agreed that some coach should be able to get talent here. I mean in 2005 we somehow had about 5-7 NFL talents on the Defensive Side of the ball. However that was 1 season in the history of what I can remember.
 
Al_4_State said:
I'd think Washington State should be a tougher job. That's a level of isolation we can only dream of.

We're right up there, though. Especially if you factor tradition into a job's difficulty.
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I've grown to be a big fan of cheating, especially for schools like Iowa/ISU/KSU/Wazzou/Purdon't. The deck is stacked so much against schools in low population states.

Since academics mean nothing anymore in major college sports you might as well cheat. If you do get caught, F' it, you'll just get a slap on the wrist. The NCAA is spineless.

College football is such bullsh!t racket.
 
Tedcyclone said:
1. Im sorry but in no way would BSU or NDSU survive the Big12, Big10, Pac12, or ACC. They'd have the same problem all the bad teams have. Depth at every single position. I really like those two programs as well, and have bet them many times in a one game situation vs "better teams". Week in and out, not a chance on gods green earth that either of those schools have the talent to survive more then one dream season. Coaching could make Boise like a Kstate, but they don't have that any longer. So.
2. Agreed that some coach should be able to get talent here. I mean in 2005 we somehow had about 5-7 NFL talents on the Defensive Side of the ball. However that was 1 season in the history of what I can remember.
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People said the same thing about TCU, but they've done alright. They went 7-6 playing a RSFrosh backup quarterback for the entire conference season in their first year. The second year they sucked as their crack-head QB Pachall returned to the team. Then last year they nearly made the playoff. 21-15 regular season record with three seasons in the Big 12.
 
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