Keys To Beating The Hawks

[CyTwins]

No, he is correct that Morris' 3pt fg% (33.3% down from 40.6%) and free throw percentage (61.9% down from 84.7%) are both down this year from last year. His overall fg% is up a few points from 43% to 44.8%.

He was comparing MM to Gesell. MM is better statistically in every category besides Gesell it shooting FT's at 7% better so that is his argument

 

[CyTwins]

i wasnt wrong when i started this discussion.

Like I said, pretty weak argument when MM can make 2 threes and MG only makes 1 last night and it changes back to MM being a better 3 pt shooter.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

I've got it! Johnny dumbdumb is gessells mom. No wonder he/she is so intent on defending him. C'mon ms. gessell, time to give up the act.

 

[SimpsonClone]

you obviously struggle to interpret what I was saying (or you are being an intentional ******* like several posters). i said that i wasnt counting on any distinct advantage of morris over gesell in this matchup. as the season as developed, its probably even less meaningful as clemmons will likely be guarding morris.

those two guys are playing vastly different roles this year so a statisical comparison is rather useless, but Morris isnt exactly producing better numbers across the board. in fact, he is shooting worse from both 3PT and FT which are two categories that seem to be two main points of emphasis in this thread. mike also outplayed morris last year, but that fact is lost in the derp of the missed free throw narrative.

but wait, i must be a HOK FAN!!!! for daring to think differently.

Both of the bolded are false. When you compare stats, generally speaking, Morris wins. Now he did have more minutes than Gesell, but to say he was outplayed by him is silly. Now you may be talking in terms of last years game when the two would have seen each other MG outplayed MM. But that also is a bit of an asinine way of looking at it in the sense that MM didn't really come into his own until conference play. I could see where you are coming from in terms of that game, but IMO Morris grew more in the last 12 months as a player than Gesell did.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Yep. Iowa State from three in all of their true road games last year: @BYU 29.2%, @Texas Tech 26.3%, @Oklahoma 23.1%, @Texas 34.4%, @KU 38.5%, @Okie State 30.3%, @West Virginia 17.4%, @TCU 9.1%, @K-State 25.9%, @Baylor 41.4%

Interesting stats... Then again so are these...

These are the team rankings nationally in FG% and what they shot against Iowa

Hampton 276th - 34%
NDSU 293rd - 27%
Texas 179th - 46%
Syracuse 143rd - 42%
Pepperdine 236th - 37%
NIU 270th - 28%
Longwood 168th - 31%
UNC 117th - 28%
UMBC 317th - 33%
Alcorn 321st - 33%
Iowa State 22nd - ?


One of these teams is not like the others when it comes to shooting the basketball.
So far the best shooting team that Iowa has played is ranked nearly 100 spots behind ISU in FG%.

 

[johnnydugouts]

i was at the game and thats my opinion. i realize that MM was a freshman but they are both a year older now and i am just calling it like i saw it.

 

[CyJack13]

I am just saying that being amped up and focused on a game doesn't automatically make you great shooters on the road. ISU stunk at shooting on the road last year and they are shooting an identical 3pt percentage this year as they finished last year (with all those terrible road games included). It's hard to shoot on the road, no matter how focused you are. Go on the assumption that ISU will shoot worse than they normally do from deep and then try to figure out where they will compensate. If ISU can rebound their misses and get some put backs and keep Iowa from doing the same, they'll win. If not, they'll lose. Probably that simple unless Iowa shoots far worse than they traditionally do in a home game.

I think this will be one of the keys of the game, Iowa gives up a lot of offensive rebounds, part of this is due to how much they contest three point shots. Uthoff especially closes out really hard on three point shooters, I saw him block two or three three pointers in the UNC game. They also really crash the offensive glass, White, Woodberry and Olesani are all in the top 400 in the country in offensive rebounding percentage. Going to need Hogue, Niang, Nader and Edozie to really box out well when they're in the game.

 

[HFCS]

you obviously struggle to interpret what I was saying (or you are being an intentional ******* like several posters). i said that i wasnt counting on any distinct advantage of morris over gesell in this matchup. as the season as developed, its probably even less meaningful as clemmons will likely be guarding morris.

those two guys are playing vastly different roles this year so a statisical comparison is rather useless, but Morris isnt exactly producing better numbers across the board. in fact, he is shooting worse from both 3PT and FT which are two categories that seem to be two main points of emphasis in this thread. mike also outplayed morris last year, but that fact is lost in the derp of the missed free throw narrative.

but wait, i must be a HOK FAN!!!! for daring to think differently.

This is a really really dumb post.

It isn't opinion, it's FACTUAL statistics that are not close.

 

[CyTwins]

Gesell had 9 pts AT Wisconsin last year. Kaminsky had 9 and Dekker only had 8. I watched the game on TV, I think Gesell was the best of the bunch

 

[GTO]

Prepare for the rapture! Jayhawks teaming up with Hawkeyes/Badgers fans against ISU fans. I think I read this somewhere in Revelations...

 

[GTO]

you obviously struggle to interpret what I was saying (or you are being an intentional ******* like several posters). i said that i wasnt counting on any distinct advantage of morris over gesell in this matchup. as the season as developed, its probably even less meaningful as clemmons will likely be guarding morris.

those two guys are playing vastly different roles this year so a statisical comparison is rather useless, but Morris isnt exactly producing better numbers across the board. in fact, he is shooting worse from both 3PT and FT which are two categories that seem to be two main points of emphasis in this thread. mike also outplayed morris last year, but that fact is lost in the derp of the missed free throw narrative.

but wait, i must be a HOK FAN!!!! for daring to think differently.

You're getting closer to admitting it now. Baby steps.

 

[GTO]

you obviously struggle to interpret what I was saying (or you are being an intentional ******* like several posters). i said that i wasnt counting on any distinct advantage of morris over gesell in this matchup. as the season as developed, its probably even less meaningful as clemmons will likely be guarding morris.

those two guys are playing vastly different roles this year so a statisical comparison is rather useless, but Morris isnt exactly producing better numbers across the board. in fact, he is shooting worse from both 3PT and FT which are two categories that seem to be two main points of emphasis in this thread. mike also outplayed morris last year, but that fact is lost in the derp of the missed free throw narrative.

but wait, i must be a HOK FAN!!!! for daring to think differently.

Oh, I also forgot: ^^^^Not a Hok fan...

 

[heitclone]

Who were they overlooking Maryland for when they shot like junk? Maybe the team just has focus problems, not shooting problems.

Maryland > Iowa.

 

[Stumbles]

Prepare for the rapture! Jayhawks teaming up with Hawkeyes/Badgers fans against ISU fans. I think I read this somewhere in Revelations...

"And I looked, and he opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake. And the sun became as black as sack cloth, and the moon became as blood..."

I know who I am gonna call.

 

[AltHawk]

Can we just come off the Gesell/Morris argument? Gesell is an average player, Morris is a pretty good player. Teams don't have to scheme to take either out of the game. It's pretty obvious that Morris is better than Gesell, but you guys are making it seem like Morris is the second coming of Rajon Rondo. He is an average scorer who takes care of the ball and gets a ton of assists because of the offense Iowa State runs. Neither player is going to decide the outcome of this game unless they **** royally like Gesell's free throws last year.

 

[Go2Guy]

Interesting stats... Then again so are these...

These are the team rankings nationally in FG% and what they shot against Iowa

Hampton 276th - 34%
NDSU 293rd - 27%
Texas 179th - 46%
Syracuse 143rd - 42%
Pepperdine 236th - 37%
NIU 270th - 28%
Longwood 168th - 31%
UNC 117th - 28%
UMBC 317th - 33%
Alcorn 321st - 33%
Iowa State 22nd - ?


One of these teams is not like the others when it comes to shooting the basketball.
So far the best shooting team that Iowa has played is ranked nearly 100 spots behind ISU in FG%.

Awesome research

 

[Rural]

Gesell had 9 pts AT Wisconsin last year. Kaminsky had 9 and Dekker only had 8. I watched the game on TV, I think Gesell was the best of the bunch

Without a doubt………..

 

[Rural]

The offense was all out of whack that night. It happens... just look at the Kansas - Kentucky game as an example. Some nights you just don't have it for whatever reason. The first half of the Kansas - Florida game looked very similar. ISU was getting open looks against Maryland but they just weren't knocking them down which is not the typical performance of a Fred Hoiberg coached Cyclone squad.

Totally different story from the UMKC game last night. The team was making careless turnovers and was playing about half speed most of the night. They put it on cruise control about 12 minutes into the game. It happens when a team is playing someone vastly inferior. They tried to coast... and they did... but at no point was ISU ever in danger of losing that game. It was a sloppy game that looked like they put in about a 50% effort and still won by 17.

UMKC is a building team not like the one that got 60 pointed last year.

 

[Rural]

Interesting stats... Then again so are these...

These are the team rankings nationally in FG% and what they shot against Iowa

Hampton 276th - 34%
NDSU 293rd - 27%
Texas 179th - 46%
Syracuse 143rd - 42%
Pepperdine 236th - 37%
NIU 270th - 28%
Longwood 168th - 31%
UNC 117th - 28%
UMBC 317th - 33%
Alcorn 321st - 33%
Iowa State 22nd - ?


One of these teams is not like the others when it comes to shooting the basketball.
So far the best shooting team that Iowa has played is ranked nearly 100 spots behind ISU in FG%.

That research seems to suggest >44% for the win.

 

[EnhancedFujita]

Can we just come off the Gesell/Morris argument? Gesell is an average player, Morris is a pretty good player. Teams don't have to scheme to take either out of the game. It's pretty obvious that Morris is better than Gesell, but you guys are making it seem like Morris is the second coming of Rajon Rondo. He is an average scorer who takes care of the ball and gets a ton of assists because of the offense Iowa State runs. Neither player is going to decide the outcome of this game unless they **** royally like Gesell's free throws last year.

I'd agree that neither will be a focus of the other team when they are putting together a game plan. But, if you've watched much of ISU this year you'd see Monte has made a lot of improvement and I think he has the ability to be a major scoring component if needed. He's made some people look silly with some moves already this year.