Keys To Beating The Hawks

[EnhancedFujita]

The issue is "can Iowa State drop 3's like their going out of style" while on the road? They weren't even very good at shooting threes last night while at home against a below average team in UMKC.

Three's weren't great last night, but that was more Naz taking almost half of the threes and having an off night. Plus I think they cruised a bit and didn't make the best decisions in the game. I'd anticipate they'll be more focused on Friday, and hope Naz doesn't have the same shooting funk and if he does someone else steps up.

 

[CyJack13]

The question that needs to be answered is this... If Iowa likes to play zone what happens when Iowa State starts dropping 3's like they are going out of style? I don't think Iowa matches up very well if they have to go man to man against the Clones. In summary the Hawks better pray that Iowa State has a poor shooting night if they want any chance to keep this game within reach. If ISU is on from the perimeter you can turn off the lights in CHA because the party will be over.

Iowa defends the 3 really well, they're over aggressive in running teams off the line. Their opponents are currently only shooting 25.7% from 3 and this isn't just a one year trend either, they held opponents to 29.5% shooting in 2013 (11th in the nation) and 31.7% last year (47th in the nation). They've defended the three well against us in the least two years as well, holding us to 15/45 from 3 in the last two games combined. I don't see us shooting them out of the gym on Friday.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

The issue is "can Iowa State drop 3's like their going out of style" while on the road? They weren't even very good at shooting threes last night while at home against a below average team in UMKC.

Do you think their minds might have been focused on another game that is being played this Friday? It's not too uncommon for guys to be looking ahead to a bigger game around the corner when they are playing a nobody school. It might help explain why everyone was a bit off last night while BDJ tore UMKC up. BDJ has never played against Iowa, BDJ is not from Iowa, BDJ might not know or care that Iowa is the big instate rival, etc...

Monte Morris flat out admitted that the guys overlooked Lamar because they were playing Arkansas in 2 nights. Then ISU went out and buried the Hogs. Just saying...

 

[Rural]

I don't know 78 we're going on the road to a place that has like a half dozen NBA players.

(I was just on the Iowa Rivals site)

 

[HFCS]

Iowa defends the 3 really well, they're over aggressive in running teams off the line. Their opponents are currently only shooting 25.7% from 3 and this isn't just a one year trend either, they held opponents to 29.5% shooting in 2013 (11th in the nation) and 31.7% last year (47th in the nation). They've defended the three well against us in the least two years as well, holding us to 15/45 from 3 in the last two games combined. I don't see us shooting them out of the gym on Friday.

I thought you were an Iowa fan?

I never expect to shoot like crazy in a full house road environment either. It happens sometimes but I don't expect it. I could see Jones running and getting to the basket like mad if he keeps progressing the way he has the past few games.

 

[CyTwins]

They don't have anyone that can guard BDJ, if he plays well we win. They really didn't have anyone to match up with Clyburn two years ago either though and we saw how that played out. Niang will get his 20 pts regardless who they put on him

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Iowa defends the 3 really well, they're over aggressive in running teams off the line. Their opponents are currently only shooting 25.7% from 3 and this isn't just a one year trend either, they held opponents to 29.5% shooting in 2013 (11th in the nation) and 31.7% last year (47th in the nation). They've defended the three well against us in the least two years as well, holding us to 15/45 from 3 in the last two games combined. I don't see us shooting them out of the gym on Friday.

Naz, Monte, and BDJ have shown pretty good ability to attack the basket off the dribble if Iowa's perimeter D is overly aggressive. Keep in mind that ISU is excellent at the drive and dish game when guys get into the lane with the basketball. I guess the choice for Iowa becomes do they take their chances on ISU shooting from outside or killing them with penetration and then kicking to guys for layups.

ISU doesn't have to shoot them out of the gym from the perimeter if Iowa is going to give up the dribble drive and the Clones are getting layups all night.

 

[CloneJob]

I'd say, put Gesell on the line at the end of the game. BRICK.

 

[Cyclones01]

I have this recurring nightmare that we're going to see a whole lot of charges drawn on us in this game as they chase us off the 3 point line and we drive to the basket.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I don't know 78 we're going on the road to a place that has like a half dozen NBA players.

(I was just on the Iowa Rivals site)

Iowa's NBA talent does worry me. I didn't get to see much of their game against that other NBA basketball factory in North Carolina but I heard that it was like watching the NBA All Star game. So many points were being scored that the scoreboards were allegedly smoking by the end. I even heard they had to replace the nets at halftime as they were basically worn out from all the shots splashing through them. It must have been something special to see. Can anyone confirm that what I was told was accurate?

 

[4theCYcle]

I don't know 78 we're going on the road to a place that has like a half dozen NBA players.

(I was just on the Iowa Rivals site)

Lol, Hawkforlife9 always seems to bring it when he regularly posts about ISU bball. He sounds like a high schooler who despises Hoiberg and anything he has done for Iowa State. I love it.

I wish Fran would do more TransferU... get tired of ESPN making it sound like Hoiberg walks on water.

[h=3]Re: Is Fridays game with ISU the biggest in Frans tenure at Iowa[/h]No. This is not that big of a deal. Home game, so we'll win. Will help our chances to make it to the Tourney if we pound the snot out of them. They play weak on the road. Go hawks!
My record is like 96%... bet the house.



Honestly, this game comes down to a couple things that have been pretty much hashed out already.
-Stay focused and keep the intensity up.
-Fight for boards from tip off to end of regulation.
-Front court needs to stay out of foul trouble (mainly Niang, but we do have more depth this year)
-Keep the ball moving to find the open shot and keep our spacing, no selfish 1 on 1 ball, especially if the shot is not falling early.
-Perimeter D needs to be there. I get we have to double or hedge in the post, but keeping a hand up on these sub-par 3 point shooting team will keep from having another team go off from 3 land on us.

 

[twocoach]

Do you think their minds might have been focused on another game that is being played this Friday? It's not too uncommon for guys to be looking ahead to a bigger game around the corner when they are playing a nobody school. It might help explain why everyone was a bit off last night while BDJ tore UMKC up. BDJ has never played against Iowa, BDJ is not from Iowa, BDJ might not know or care that Iowa is the big instate rival, etc... Monte Morris flat out admitted that the guys overlooked Lamar because they were playing Arkansas in 2 nights. Then ISU went out and buried the Hogs. Just saying...

Who were they overlooking Maryland for when they shot like junk? Maybe the team just has focus problems, not shooting problems.

 

[twocoach]

I thought you were an Iowa fan? I never expect to shoot like crazy in a full house road environment either. It happens sometimes but I don't expect it. I could see Jones running and getting to the basket like mad if he keeps progressing the way he has the past few games.

Yep. Iowa State from three in all of their true road games last year: @BYU 29.2%, @Texas Tech 26.3%, @Oklahoma 23.1%, @Texas 34.4%, @KU 38.5%, @Okie State 30.3%, @West Virginia 17.4%, @TCU 9.1%, @K-State 25.9%, @Baylor 41.4%

 

[EnhancedFujita]

Yep. Iowa State from three in all of their true road games last year: @BYU 29.2%, @Texas Tech 26.3%, @Oklahoma 23.1%, @Texas 34.4%, @KU 38.5%, @Okie State 30.3%, @West Virginia 17.4%, @TCU 9.1%, @K-State 25.9%, @Baylor 41.4%

All very true, but I also wouldn't make the case that we were a great 3 point team or that we overly relied on it. It was tool that the defense had to respect so that we can play with the spacing we want. Making them definitely helps, but in the case of the Maryland game, nothing was falling, be it from beyond the arc or 2 feet out.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Who were they overlooking Maryland for when they shot like junk? Maybe the team just has focus problems, not shooting problems.

The offense was all out of whack that night. It happens... just look at the Kansas - Kentucky game as an example. Some nights you just don't have it for whatever reason. The first half of the Kansas - Florida game looked very similar. ISU was getting open looks against Maryland but they just weren't knocking them down which is not the typical performance of a Fred Hoiberg coached Cyclone squad.

Totally different story from the UMKC game last night. The team was making careless turnovers and was playing about half speed most of the night. They put it on cruise control about 12 minutes into the game. It happens when a team is playing someone vastly inferior. They tried to coast... and they did... but at no point was ISU ever in danger of losing that game. It was a sloppy game that looked like they put in about a 50% effort and still won by 17.

 

[johnnydugouts]

you obviously struggle to interpret what I was saying (or you are being an intentional ******* like several posters). i said that i wasnt counting on any distinct advantage of morris over gesell in this matchup. as the season as developed, its probably even less meaningful as clemmons will likely be guarding morris.

those two guys are playing vastly different roles this year so a statisical comparison is rather useless, but Morris isnt exactly producing better numbers across the board. in fact, he is shooting worse from both 3PT and FT which are two categories that seem to be two main points of emphasis in this thread. mike also outplayed morris last year, but that fact is lost in the derp of the missed free throw narrative.

but wait, i must be a HOK FAN!!!! for daring to think differently.

 

[CyTwins]

you obviously struggle to interpret what I was saying (or you are being an intentional ******* like several posters). i said that i wasnt counting on any distinct advantage of morris over gesell in this matchup. as the season as developed, its probably even less meaningful as clemmons will likely be guarding morris.

those two guys are playing vastly different roles this year so a statisical comparison is rather useless, but Morris isnt exactly producing better numbers across the board. in fact, he is shooting worse from both 3PT and FT which are two categories that seem to be two main points of emphasis in this thread. mike also outplayed morris last year, but that fact is lost in the derp of the missed free throw narrative.

but wait, i must be a HOK FAN!!!! for daring to think differently.

That would be a pretty weak argument even if it was true. But like usual you're wrong

 

[twocoach]

The offense was all out of whack that night. It happens... just look at the Kansas - Kentucky game as an example. Some nights you just don't have it for whatever reason. The first half of the Kansas - Florida game looked very similar. ISU was getting open looks against Maryland but they just weren't knocking them down which is not the typical performance of a Fred Hoiberg coached Cyclone squad. Totally different story from the UMKC game last night. The team was making careless turnovers and was playing about half speed most of the night. They put it on cruise control about 12 minutes into the game. It happens when a team is playing someone vastly inferior. They tried to coast... and they did... but at no point was ISU ever in danger of losing that game. It was a sloppy game that looked like they put in about a 50% effort and still won by 17.

I am just saying that being amped up and focused on a game doesn't automatically make you great shooters on the road. ISU stunk at shooting on the road last year and they are shooting an identical 3pt percentage this year as they finished last year (with all those terrible road games included). It's hard to shoot on the road, no matter how focused you are. Go on the assumption that ISU will shoot worse than they normally do from deep and then try to figure out where they will compensate. If ISU can rebound their misses and get some put backs and keep Iowa from doing the same, they'll win. If not, they'll lose. Probably that simple unless Iowa shoots far worse than they traditionally do in a home game.

 

[twocoach]

That would be a pretty weak argument even if it was true. But like usual you're wrong

No, he is correct that Morris' 3pt fg% (33.3% down from 40.6%) and free throw percentage (61.9% down from 84.7%) are both down this year from last year. His overall fg% is up a few points from 43% to 44.8%.

 

[johnnydugouts]

That would be a pretty weak argument even if it was true. But like usual you're wrong

i wasnt wrong when i started this discussion.